i believe Quran and Bible

Dear Saved,

Indeed, all Muslims are required to believe in the gospel because it is the word of God, but in this day, which one is true?, therefore, I ever propose to you "do I need to prove?" that each gospel is different one of another.

Keep in mind that not all Muslims agree with the declaration of war against all unbelievers except as in the word of Allah 60: 8 where muslims are not forbidden to make good relationship in all matters without distinction of ethnic, nation, skin color, religion and so on, except they will change muslims aqidah and expel Muslims from their hometown like the Palestinians which are gradually their territory will annexed by Israel.

In Islam, Jesus is not the only one who can save mankind, but all men who obediently follow the teachings of their Apostles will get salvation from Allah.
If the Gospel said "The gospel states that there is no other name given under heaven whereby we might be saved but the name of Jesus Christ." This means that the Gospel of today invites you not to believe the other scriptures before the Gospel was revealed like the Psalms and the Torah. Is that right?

Related to ISIS declaration issues, I personally do not agree with the ideology of ISIS, because not only declare war with non-Muslims but also ISIS fight and kill other Muslims.

Regards,
Asep

The Gospel is the good news that because of Jesus all mankind can have eternal life. This means everyone, including Muslims. The Gospel is the good news that Jesus opened up new dimensions in the relationship between God and mankind, not a written document.

The four biblical gospels are not "The Gospel". Those are only transcribed oral histories. 'Gospel' in the sense of the bible is a literary genre.

In the Qu'ran, Jesus is the ultimate judge of all Muslims. I think the question for Muslims is "What is it about Jesus that the Qu'ran makes Jesus the final judge of Muslims instead of Muhammad?"

Ceo3 wrote: Thank you ovibos for info. Dear 2acts, I appreciate the corteous dialogue Christianity and Islam are diff idelogies therefore one cant believe in both from that point of view. By compliments I mean to say the similarities of creation of earth and man, judgement day, the Prophets as. We believe in Taugeed, Islam and Muhhamad saw was last messenger, that for us is cast in stone and offers no compromise. [16:125] You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones. Above is verse in Quran which guides our religious debates. We are not allowed to critisize, attack or question excessively other faiths core beliefs. We are only to explain what Islam is and what if offers. Therefore our passion when conveying especially Quran, its up to each person to make own decision. Take care

Thank you for your reply Ceo.
Perhaps you need to be preaching to Muslim 153 who started this thread with his criticism of Christianity ?
Blessings and Peace

ovibos wrote: 786SalamKhan wrote: The "people of the book" claim to still have those books which you implied to be either lost or corrupted, which would be an incredibly serious claim to make, not something you can claim lightly and hope no one will question you. What you must do is prove with irrefutable evidence; when, where, why and how these books were either lost or corrupted. I think the best example is the gospel.Are the canonical gospel authentic? Many scholars believe that the author of Mark, Matthew, and Luke didn't write their gospel independently. Rather, they copied form other source(s), i.e. Matthew and Luke copied from Mark and another Lost Gospel called Q.Many scholars believe that the Lost Gospel Q is the original gospel, the first gospel, and the earliest gospel. The most important thing about Jesus according to the Gospel is his sayings and his teachings such as "the Sermon on the Mount". There are no stories about Jesus's death, crucifixion, and resurrection in the gospel. In short, Jesus' birth, death, crucifixion, and resurrection is not that important according to the original gospel.Only later that the New Testament authors changed this view, and they claim that Jesus's death and resurrection is the central theme of Christianity.

Are the canonical gospel authentic? Yes. The new testament is the most validated of all ancient writings. More ancient copies exist than any other ancient writing, for example the Roman history of Julius Caesar, and others. Plus these copies cover a huge and wide geographic area that prevents them from being gathered together and falsified.

You need to educate yourself about the synoptic gospels of Mathew, Mark and Luke. There is evidence they referred to each other with some similarities but also some significant differences. This only makes theses gospels more reliable, not less reliable.

You also need to understand the history of the gospels in terms of their oral traditions and the criteria identified by Christian scholars over the centuries to establish the canon. You only know about the Q document theory because of the integrity of Christian scholars. This is nothing new for Christians.

Which New Testament authors changed Jesus' birth, death, crucifixion, and resurrection ? Peter ? John ? Paul ? James ? They all stressed Jesus' birth, death, crucifixion, and resurrection and they were all first generation believers. As requested by 786SalamKhan you have provided no evidence. You have no concrete proof, only conspiracy theories.

Muslims dont know what you�re original Quran said ! Uthman destroyed all original copies and the oldest pre Uthman Sanaa Quran shows it was a man made writing.