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    Posted: 05 June 2016 at 2:48am
One day the Syrian civil war will end. After the war there has to be a peace. Here is the question;

What do you want that peace to look like?

Do you want an Islamic state ISIS style with women being either whipped for showing an ancle or sold as a slave?

Or

Do you want a tolerant society with people free to do what the wish western style with gay parades and sex on beaches?

Or something else, please explain?


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I believe the people of Syria are like most others who would reject your polar extremes and desire peace and security, a decent living wage, quality education for their children, and to practice the faith of their choice. Generally speaking people have much more in common than differences.
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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

I believe the people of Syria are like most others who would reject your polar extremes and desire peace and security, a decent living wage, quality education for their children, and to practice the faith of their choice. Generally speaking people have much more in common than differences.


Well yes, that bit is easy. So what sort of government and what sort of social controls do you see as being expected?

The 2 options I gave are kind of the only choices at the monet which might be why there is such a fuss.

If there was a more moderate path laid out clearly perhaps there could be peace.
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Tim there's such a fuss because rich and powerful nations are insisting upon regime change.
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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

Tim there's such a fuss because rich and powerful nations are insisting upon regime change.


So you would like to see Assad staying as the King of Syria?

My question is aimed at being more broad though. I would like to know what sort of arrangement for governance the Islamic world would actually like to see in place. I can see what the extremists want; rule by the most respected theologan (no actual mechanism for decieding who is the most respected..) and I can obviously understand what sort of pluralistic, tollerant society I like.  But what other options are there?


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Tim there are extremists in every country, and I don't think must of us are asking what type of governance they want. Why should Muslim lands be any different? People want and desire civil society - worldwide, in my estimation. With respect to Assad, that is for the Syrian people to decide, but it was a monumental mistake to oppose him militarily.

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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

Tim there are extremists in every country, and I don't think must of us are asking what type of governance they want. Why should Muslim lands be any different? People want and desire civil society - worldwide, in my estimation. With respect to Assad, that is for the Syrian people to decide, but it was a monumental mistake to oppose him militarily.


I am asking what you would like in an ideal world.

Here there are gay parades. There are strip clubs. I think it should be legal for prostitutes to opperate as they do in Germany. I want drugs legalised. I want schools to be religion free zones, and compulsory for all children.

That is different to the wishes of most Muslims. So what sort of society do you want? How much power do you want the Imans to have?
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...tolerant and pluralistic.



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