a question for atheists

Caringheart: What do you suppose guides the creatures of the earth?

May I answer your question with a counter question [I'm serious!]: What (and who) guides the guinea worm

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Why do birds know how to migrate? What is guiding them?

This for example.

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For your danger/animal theory you find probably as many diverging observations and opinions as animals on earth (or conflicting statements in the bible and/or the Quran if you prefer). Personally I like this one.
One thing is sure however: your term "always [know]" is untenable.


Airmano


Edited by airmano - 01 June 2016 at 2:21pm

Caringheart wrote: Ringer wrote: ... define "soul"? Greetings Ringer, I believe I already did... the soul is the thing that sets humans apart from animals. It is the thing which causes us to question the reason and the purpose of our existence... a thing which I am pretty sure that animals do not do.

Not that is not a definitely but simply a tautological declaration -- i.e., circular reasoning.

"Soul sets animals apart from humans which is the difference between humans and animals."

There is no information content in your declaration.

You have just declared something unseen, unknowable, and undefined to exist but you can't actually define it or give a method to discover or investigate it.

Tried [again] on two different computers and both links [still] work. May be you don't know how to click ?

Those links did open this time! Did you grease palms to help open them?

If so then I'm not impressed by the job he did.

I keep forgetting you expect me to impress you. Are you so vain?

If you feel that science is presumptuous, then be it so.

Well, both science and you presume things and then find that truth is something else.

In some aspects 'yes', but not but not when it comes to the denial of reality.

Yeah, they both deny your reality! That nothing came out of nothing and so on.....blah....blah......blah! Tell me Airmano have you ever come across in the material world which created itself? Like a fan or a car or a piece of jewellery made exquisitely.

airmano wrote: Caringheart: What do you suppose guides the creatures of the earth? May I answer your question with a counter question [I'm serious!]: What (and who) guides the guinea worm ------------------------------------------------------ Why do birds know how to migrate? What is guiding them? This for example. -------------------------------------------------------- For your danger/animal theory you find probably as many diverging observations and opinions as animals on earth (or conflicting statements in the bible and/or the Quran if you prefer). Personally I like this one. One thing is sure however: your term "always [know]" is untenable. Airmano

Greetings Airmano,

The point is.... what is it that guides them to go from one place to another to begin with?  I understand the natural powers of the earth.... magnetism, etc., that guide them.... but what makes them fly from one place to another.... where does that internal guidance come from? 

Humans don't do it... and why not?   because it's not the way we were designed.

addendum:
Ringer says that at one time humans did do this.... perhaps he is correct, who can know.  It certainly seems plausible... the native americans moved with the seasons from place to place in the land... but never one continent to another. (not with regularity)
Anyway, it may just be further evidence of the separation from God...
we may wonder why humans stopped doing this.  (if they ever did)
Not all creatures do however, which goes to the fact that all creatures have their own design.


about the danger perception factors....
exactly...
God's creatures are in touch with all of their perceptory senses....
it is only humans that are separated from this (because of their sin natures... their propensity to reject or rebel against the design of the Creator... to exert their own will over the design of the Creator... again, a thing which other creatures do not do... or if they do, they perish... they become extinct... the same thing that will happen to humans if they continue in their own way.... but the Creator will not allow this to happen... will not allow those which were made in His own image... His children... to go extinct)....
humans became separated from the Creator and from the fullness of the senses. 
The closer one moves to God the more in touch with these other senses they become.  That, to me, is the journey.  We either move towards our Creator through this life, or we move away from the Creator in this life.  It is our choice.

asalaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 06 June 2016 at 11:28pm