Questions about Islam

Dear Saved,

You have to show evidence, a solid evidence in support of your claim. Assumptions are no good.

All the best,

iqmdublin wrote: Hi everyone, in my conversations with many muslims I've gotten many different answers to the same questions. I thought I'd ask the questions here to see what your answers are. I've travelled to Turkey a few times, but also have muslim friends from Syria and Palestine. I hope this is the right section for this topic! All these questions are genuine and for research purposes! I'm not trying to offend anyone, only get answers.1) Why do many Muslims claim the Bible has been changed? I've heard this many times, but was never given any evidence or source? Living in Dublin, its easy to go to the Chester Beatty Library and see both ancient Biblical (dating back to 90 A.D) and Quranic texts , and its clear to see that neither have been changed. The most ancient Bible texts are exactly the same as the ones, something I have seen with my own two eyes, and discovered with the help of linguistical experts. Except for some differences in spelling, the Biblical text is faithful to the original. I accept that some modern translations can deviate slightly to fit the agenda of the translators, but I'm speaking of a true and faithful translation of the Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic texts, of which there are several out there.

Thanks brother for clearly specifying the questions and little elaboration on them as well. Well for this question, I have answers from Quran as well as out of it, you choose what interests you most.
From Quran from among several places, I shall only provide one as an example "005.014
YUSUFALI: From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done." The legendary infighting of Christian between Catholics & Protestants can be taken as a case in pointer of this verse.

Historical evolution of present day Bible (According to whom?): Even if we disregard this "Whom" thingy, the sheer additions and removal of books from the bible is a clear answer to your question. Do I need to provide Wiki reference on the topic to elucidate? Just let me know, if it is required?
The "photocopy" argument is also not valid here simply because it is not possible to have it attested as well as it contains almost all of anonymous author ships of gospels.

iqmdublin wrote: 2)In The Quran, I read about the Final Day (Surah 33:21), but then many Muslims believe in converting the entire world to Islam without divine intervention? Which is it?

Quran clearly states there is no compulsion in faith. Prophet's mission was only to convey the message and it was Only Allah to provide guidance to whom ever He wishes to. Therefore forceful spread of Islam was, is, and shall never be acceptable to Allah. So, those who impose their faith on others are none but the terrorists, by definition.

iqmdublin wrote: 3) Sunni vs Shite - is this not the same as Catholic and Protestant? What is your view on how Allah will determine true followers?

While various denominations/sects within Christianity differ on the very identity of Jesus, the main article of faith, IMHO. Whereas, all Muslims agree on ONE God, ONE and last Prophet, and one message of God ie Quran. However, the variations are through differences in interpretations of the divine message.

iqmdublin wrote: 4) Hellfire, I read about this in the Quran a lot, but many muslims have different opinions? Is there an official opinion? Do Muslims belive in Hellfire, and unbelievers and evil men being tormented there for eternity?I have more questions, but maybe if I could start with these!Thanks in advance for any help with these questions! -Ivan

The concept of Heaven and Hell is intricately linked with Reward and Punishment awarded on the test/exam conducted during our earthly life. Where the life on earth is only temporary and eternal life is only to start after transitioning through death on the last and final day of Judgement. After decisions are made by Allah about the fate of humans about their test taken, they will attain their permanent abode either in Heaven or Hell. I hope, I have answered all your questions.
best regards.

syed_z wrote: Saved, your assumption that Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu alaihi Wassallam) copied from Gospel.This is one of your several allegations against the Quran that you have been making throughout this forum. You are just confusing yourself. All the best.

Syed:
I am not confused, and I didn't say anything about Muhammad or that he copied from the gospel, but I did refer to Uthman burning the Qurans after Muhammad's death, and him standardizing the Quran using Hafsah's copy to copy from which was destroyed after her death. What you have now, we don't know how much of what he copied lines up with it, because we don't have her destroyed copy to compare and contrast. This I can tell you is definitely not an assumption. If you didn't know this, you should do the research yourself.

As for the borrowed virgin birth story of Jesus and several other things that I mentioned, it is not against the Quran; it supports the Quran and the Quran supports the truth of the gospel in this instance. I say borrowed because it is the only logical inference that can be made; it is not an assumption from where I stand.
For instance, we know the gospel came before the Quran (Again, that is a fact not an assumption). There is no common source where the virgin birth story of Jesus can be found other than the uncorrupted gospel of the NT Bible.

IMHO, it is fair game to intelligently and logical infer it was borrowed from the original source. I don't make assumptions about this nor can you prove I am assuming anything. With all due respect, you are the one making assumptions about what I post and that nothing was borrowed from the gospel.

PBUY,
Saved

PS.... Now, if I were to assume anything, I would assume that Muhammad has heard some the gospel stories from Christians. I could be wrong, but I doubt it, because he was a very intelligent, well travelled and informed person.



Edited by Saved - 19 November 2016 at 1:56pm

AhmadJoyia wrote:    No, my dear! The onus of proof is on you to prove you are correct. Please provide authentic references for all of your assertions. Thanks.

Here is one source: http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e27.html
I am surprise you didn't know this or that you couldn't do the research yourself. I don't make unfounded claims my dear

Edited by Saved - 22 November 2016 at 10:12am