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 syed_z wrote:

You�re mistaken, I never claimed that only Muslims say that its corrupted. God also says that in the Quran. You are here to have a discussion but I see you�re not serious to read my posts.  Okay, I am mistaken about what you said. point taken

 syed_z wrote:

Please read my previous post again I clearly stated that

Quran proves that Bible which includes Gospel has been corrupted and Allah (swt) confirms it in the following Verse:

Al Quran 3:1-4

Step by step has He bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, setting forth the truth which confirms whatever there still remains [of earlier revelations for it is He who has bestowed from on high the Torah and the Gospel (3:4) aforetime, as a guidance unto mankind, and it is He who has bestowed [upon man] the standard by which to discern the true from the falseThe Quran doesn't say the gospel is corrupted to me in that verse and even if it did, that is certainly not proof to convince me of corruption let alone scholars of the Bible.

 syed_z wrote:

Allah Says that People of the Book should follow their books even after the Quran and not follow the Quran? You�re mistaken again Saved. That is incorrect claim against the Quran. Allah 

says in the following Verse:

(5:15) O followers of the Bible! Now there has come unto you Our Apostle, to make clear unto you much of what you have been concealing [from yourselves] of the Bible, 28 and to pardon much. Now there has come unto you from God a light, and a clear divine writ,</span>I thought the Quran states to follow the revelation we have been given? The Quran clashes with the central gospel message, and we have to choose what to believe. I see the central message as complete. Even the virgin birth of Jesus is original to only the gospel. The Quran is a secondary source. the Bible gives the reason Jesus had to have been born of a virgin, but the Quran doesn't. The reason is concealed in the Quran, IMHO.

 syed_z wrote:

Allah (swt) reminds the Jews and the Christians to not hide yourself from what has been predicted by their Prophets including Jesus, Son of

Mary (alaihi Salaam) that there is a prophet who would come and His name would be Mohammad:Why aren't all Christians and Jews Muslims. It seems that is what is what is concealed from us not the gospel message.

 syed_z wrote:

�And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;� (John: 14-16)Now  because of the original Aramaic Gospel being lost there is no way to confirm what word did he use or 'Comforter' in Aramaic. Furthermore, it is written in the Old Testament part of the Holy Bible that a Prophet belonging to the Arabian race will come. The

fifteenth verse of the eighteenth chapter of Deuteronomy quotes M�s� �alaihis-sal�m� as having said to the Israelites: �The Lord thy God will raise

up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me;

unto him ye shall hearken;� (Deut: 18-15) The word �brethren� of the Israelites

used in this text means �Ism��l�s (Ismaelites)�, i.e. �the Arabs�.The comforter is the Spirit of Truth. You are saying that is Muhammad. Muhammad was never a spirit. The spirit of truth is with us and in us true believers. Muhammad is not with me or in me; he died in the 7th century, but Jesus still lives and He lives in me as he did with His disciples after His resurrection. As for Duet 18, The gospel claimed that was referring to Jesus before Muhammad was born.

 syed_z wrote:

Good question. I'm sorry to say using 

you're own theory if you had a copy of the original and if it was not complete then how would you find treasure? It is a known fact that the 4 Gospels accepted at Council of Nicea in 325 CE were not the only ones. There were originally 12. The remaining were declared Apocryphal by the council, even though they did not have any authority to do so and persecuted those true followers of Jesus, son of Mary (alaihi Salaam) who used to learn and teach them. You just chose  to be fooled by the council. But remember that God has revealed the Quran to make it clear so you will have no excuse on the day of judgmentFirst of all I was referring to a complete map. the answer is the photo copy would work just as well as the original and get me to the treasure.

As for the Apocryphal writing, I have them in my Bible. They don't contradict the central gospel message which is Jesus died and rose from the dead to save us from our sin. And Jesus said, " I am he' and we will "die in our sin unless we believe" this.

 syed_z wrote:

Hafsa's copy is the same as recited and memorized by the Prophet and which he himself had made his companions memorized. �The  promise Allah (swt) makes in the Quran for its preservation and the fact that whether you pick a Quran from whichever part in the world and its identical nature is itself a proof that what Uthman compiled is the coming true of the Promise of Allah. I understand that you are trying to somehow prove its corruption but you will not be able to. 

 If Hafsa's copy was the same, why did Marwan destroy her copy? I am not trying to proof its corruption; I am just trying to show that we have an uncorrupted central gospel message, and that Allah never said the gospel is corrupt. You, IMO, choose to make a false inference. I don't believe anything in the gospel had been concealed from us especially when the story of the virgin birth of Jesus was imperfectly borrowed from the gospel. I know this because there is no common source where the story of Jesus virgin birth could be found but the gospel of Matthew.

PBUY,

Al

Edited by Saved - 06 November 2016 at 12:10am