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Topic: Questions about Islam Posted: 01 January 2017 at 3:50pm |
My friend, yes, you are right that we are free to choose.
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Posted: 18 December 2016 at 8:31pm |
asep48garut60 wrote:
You said: �He gives us the opportunity to know where we'll go hereafter,�
From where and by what so that we know where we'll go hereafter? |
It is written that if you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved. I don't see any if, ands, and maybes about this Scripture.
asep48garut60 wrote:
You said: �because it is God's unconditional love and goodness that leads man to repentance.�
If �God's unconditional love and goodness that leads man to repentance�, It seems like doesn't matter if we do not repent. |
No, it means that God loved us even while we in our sin and he sent forgiveness through Christ and a way to be make into the image of Christ, because it is written that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. If we are not becoming more like Christ, something is wrong.
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While I say that God's love was conditional, it signifies that humans who have done wrong (a lot or a little mistake), Allah gives time to repent. |
that is not what conditional love means. it means that Allah doesn't love wrong doers. if he doesn't love them he doesn't give them an opportunity to be guided, but unconditional love does give opportunity to be guided.
The task master you have shown me seems too hard.
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Roughly which one will lead to the law of cause and effect?
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we all reap what we sow. We are free to choose, but not free from the consequences of our choices
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Posted: 18 December 2016 at 11:22am |
Dear Saved,
You said: �He gives us the opportunity to know where we'll go hereafter,�
From where and by what so that we know where we'll go hereafter?
You said: �because it is God's unconditional love and goodness that leads man to repentance.�
If �God's unconditional love and goodness that leads man to repentance�, It seems like doesn't matter if we do not repent.
While I say that God's love was conditional, it signifies that humans who have done wrong (a lot or a little mistake), Allah gives time to repent.
Roughly which one will lead to the law of cause and effect?
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Asep
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Posted: 14 December 2016 at 10:34pm |
Dear Saved,
We have a lot of discussion about the faith, may be for a while we just run what we believe each other.
I am happy to discuss with you, but there's another task in participating to assist Government in dealing with those who have radical ideology (especially in my country), unless I have a chance to answer related to Islamic syari'ah. And hopefully there are other Muslims who can help to answer when I haven't had time to answer. Thank you.
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Asep
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Posted: 13 December 2016 at 2:47am |
asep48garut60 wrote:
Saved wrote:
asep48garut60 wrote:
Dear Saved,
Well, here are the proofs:
Quran 3:134, 4:114, 16:90 and more.
Even the Prophet Muhammad said: "love all that is in the earth!, then you will be loved by Allah." (Narrated by Bukhari & Muslim).
So, not only to love our enemies, not only to love all mankind, but also to love the surrounding natural environment.
Regards,
Asep
| I see this is another example of conditional love again. You must do something to get Allah to love you, but that is not the case with the Allah of the gospel. Love that is conditional doesn't love all the time, and it certainly doesn't love its enemies. Conditional love, IMHO, cannot be true love! My God truly loves me and I know it. Does the Allah of Islam love you now? |
Dear Saved,
Yes, Allah loves me now, even loved the whole mankind and the universe.
If Allah doesn't love all mankind, this universe will be destroyed, although the majority of mankind are not to worship Him.
Once again I say that in Islam, Allah's love is conditional, and Allah doesn't love to mankind who is allied with the devil because the devil is an outright enemy to human beings and damned creatures, therefore, for those who are allied with the devil then Allah will not love them.
However, as long as humans live in this world, Allah always opened the door of repentance is widest for those who want to return to the beaten path blessed by Him as stated in His word.
Regards,
Asep
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I understand, you are actually making my point for me. Allah's love in the Quran shows him to love conditionally while the Allah of the gospel loves unconditionally. He gives us the opportunity to know where we'll go hereafter, because it is God's unconditional love and goodness that leads man to repentance. Those who refuse God unconditional love and the gift of salvation through Christ do so at their own spiritual peril.
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Posted: 25 November 2016 at 3:04pm |
Saved wrote:
asep48garut60 wrote:
Dear Saved,
Well, here are the proofs:
Quran 3:134, 4:114, 16:90 and more.
Even the Prophet Muhammad said: "love all that is in the earth!, then you will be loved by Allah." (Narrated by Bukhari & Muslim).
So, not only to love our enemies, not only to love all mankind, but also to love the surrounding natural environment.
Regards,
Asep
| I see this is another example of conditional love again. You must do something to get Allah to love you, but that is not the case with the Allah of the gospel. Love that is conditional doesn't love all the time, and it certainly doesn't love its enemies. Conditional love, IMHO, cannot be true love! My God truly loves me and I know it. Does the Allah of Islam love you now? |
Dear Saved,
Yes, Allah loves me now, even loved the whole mankind and the universe.
If Allah doesn't love all mankind, this universe will be destroyed, although the majority of mankind are not to worship Him.
Once again I say that in Islam, Allah's love is conditional, and Allah doesn't love to mankind who is allied with the devil because the devil is an outright enemy to human beings and damned creatures, therefore, for those who are allied with the devil then Allah will not love them.
However, as long as humans live in this world, Allah always opened the door of repentance is widest for those who want to return to the beaten path blessed by Him as stated in His word.
Regards,
Asep
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Posted: 23 November 2016 at 8:38pm |
Asalaam O Alaikum Brother Ahmed, jazakAllah khayr.
Saved,
When you made assertion that Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu alaihi Wassallam) copied from the gospel, you need to show proof.
If you cannot, and most definitely you cannot, then don't make such assertions.
The
fact that Quran mentions the events in the life of Jesus, son of Mary
(alaihi Salaam) quite different from whats in the Gospel is itself a
proof that its not possible that Prophet Muhammad copied. Jesus son of
Mary (alaihi Salaam), not dieing on the cross, his place of return on
earth and the events surrounding his return, his conversation on the day
of judgment and all other references mentioned in the Quran and hadith
are not to be found in the gospels that your church accepted i.e the 4.
However
surprisingly for you what Quran says about Jesus, son of Mary (alaihi
Salaam) is exactly what Gospel of Barnabas says in Chapter 70th called
Peter Rebuked:
�Jesus answered: �And ye; what say ye that I am?�
Peter answered: �Thou art Christ, son of God.� Then was Jesus angry,
and with anger rebuked him, saying: �Begone and depart from me, because
thou art the devil and seekest to cause me offence!� And he threatened
the eleven, saying: �Woe to you if ye believe this, for I have won from
God a great curse against those who believe this.�
Its sad that
your Church hid the the True Message of Jesus son of Mary (alaihi
Salaam) and gave you an interpretation which has led towards so much
confusion amongst the Christians. The only way for you to succeed is to
obey Jesus, son of Mary (alaihi Salaam) which is to accept what he said.
The
seventy-first chapter states: �Then said Jesus: �As God liveth, I am
not able to forgive sin, nor is any man, but God alone forgiveth.� �
The Quran says in Surah Maida Verse 16
When
God says, �Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, �Take me and my
mother as two gods alongside God�?� he will say, �May You be exalted! I
would never say what I had no right to say�� if I had said such a thing
You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not
know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things
unseen�� 117I told them only what You commanded me to: �Worship God, my
Lord and your Lord.�
Amazing similarity especially for those who have eyes to see and hearts to understand.
From
the ninety-seventh chapter: �Then said the priest: �How shall the
Messiah be called and what sign shall reveal his coming?� Jesus
answered: �The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave
him the name when He had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial
splendour. God said: �Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create
paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make
thee a present, insomuch that whoso shall bless thee shall be blessed,
and whososhall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into
the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word
shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith
shall never fail.� - 20 Ahmad is his blessed name.� Then the
crowd lifted up their voices, saying: �O God, send us thy messenger; O
Ahmad come quickly for the salvation of the world!�
Al Quran 61:06
Jesus,
son of Mary, said, �Children of Israel, I am sent to you by God,
confirming the Torah that came before me and bringing good news of a
messenger to follow me whose name will be Ahmad.
The
Church to have their authority supreme over the masses deliberately hid
the truth by not accepting other Gospels like Gospel of Barnabas. It is
this reason why the early followers of Jesus son of Mary (alaihi
Salaam) were tortured because they rejected the Trinity being promoted
by church.
Truth stares at you my friend.
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Posted: 22 November 2016 at 10:11am |
AhmadJoyia wrote:
No, my dear! The onus of proof is on you to prove you are correct. Please provide authentic references for all of your assertions. Thanks.
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Here is one source: http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e27.html
I am surprise you didn't know this or that you couldn't do the research yourself. I don't make unfounded claims my dear
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