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AhmadJoyia
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Tim the plumber
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Concubine is a slave you treat well for a slave. That you would have as a companion and take to dinner parties etc. Still a slave though. |
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Ron Webb
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According to the dictionary definition of concubine may be a legal or social inferior, but she is not an actual possession, so I agree it would not be a good translation. However, the same can be said about "maid servant". Besides, your definition doesn't make sense here. If you substitute it into verse 23:6, you get "Except from their wives or their married maid servant/slave", which is redundant. If you married your maid servant, then she would be your wife, wouldn't she? Why would she need to be mentioned separately? |
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Edited by AhmadJoyia - 22 January 2016 at 7:31pm |
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Ron Webb
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Those who were "rightfully possessed" were not paid. They were captured in war, and then bought and sold as property. There are so many examples of this it's hard to know where to start, but here is an especially charming one where Muhammad himself sells a slave who would otherwise have been freed: "A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave." Bukhari, vol. 3, Book 34, Number 351
Including sexual services? "Successful indeed are the believers...who guard their modesty - Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess..." (Quran 23:1-6, Pickthal translation) |
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Caringheart
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It seems silly to me, to be having a semantics argument...
it seems pretty clear that maid servant means nothing more or less than, female slave. |
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Tim the plumber
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No you do not. Not unless you are being exploitive. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Same as when you pay someone, you 'own/posses' his services. More so, if s/he resides with you, you 'own/posses' more than her/his just services.
Edited by AhmadJoyia - 21 January 2016 at 10:19pm |
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