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I think what makes for good discussion is expressing views frankly and openly, and Islamicity is extremely liberal in that respect, as you well know. But let's keep the discussion respectful. As I mentioned before, theology by its very nature calls for faith and belief, and if you don't believe Moses literally parted the Red Sea, this is your choice. What point is there in becoming belligerent in your rejection, moreover to even articulate that you have somehow been harmed by such beliefs!? I personally feel it's entirely disingenuous to suggest political correctness or frank and open discussion is what's at play here, but just trolling an Islamic discussion board. I would hope that the moderators take note of such behavior as it is clearing in violation of the rules for discussion.

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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

I think what makes for good discussion is expressing views frankly and openly, and Islamicity is extremely liberal in that respect, as you well know. But let's keep the discussion respectful. As I mentioned before, theology by its very nature calls for faith and belief, and if you don't believe Moses literally parted the Red Sea, this is your choice. What point is there in becoming belligerent in your rejection, moreover to even articulate that you have somehow been harmed by such beliefs!? I personally feel it's entirely disingenuous to suggest political correctness or frank and open discussion is what's at play here, but just trolling an Islamic discussion board. I would hope that the moderators take note of such behavior as it is clearing in violation of the rules for discussion.


The lives of many people have been and are beeing harmed by the demands that religious people put on others.

This, on this forum, is the demand that we respect your beliefs to the point of not saying what we wish to and not challenging your professed views that the moon has split in two and then got better. To ever greater demands backed by ever greater pressure, threats and violence in the rest of the world.

That is the point of this thread.

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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:


The lives of many people have been and are beeing harmed by the demands that religious people put on others.This, on this forum, is the demand that we respect your beliefs to the point of not saying what we wish to and not challenging your professed views that the moon has split in two and then got better. To ever greater demands backed by ever greater pressure, threats and violence in the rest of the world.That is the point of this thread.


Tim perhaps you haven't noticed that theology has long since ceased having significant political power in the world. When it comes to harm and pressure look no further than secular capitals of the world. Is it too much to "demand" civil discourse?   
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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:


The lives of many people have been and are beeing harmed by the demands that religious people put on others.This, on this forum, is the demand that we respect your beliefs to the point of not saying what we wish to and not challenging your professed views that the moon has split in two and then got better. To ever greater demands backed by ever greater pressure, threats and violence in the rest of the world.That is the point of this thread.


Tim perhaps you haven't noticed that theology has long since ceased having significant political power in the world. When it comes to harm and pressure look no further than secular capitals of the world. Is it too much to "demand" civil discourse?   


What is civil and what is not is different to all of us.

Civility in Saudi Arabia demands that female politicians cannot directly talk to male citizens. Civility in the rest of the world demands that we explain to the Saudis that this is very wrong. Totally uncivil. They don't like people telling them that and demand civility.

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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

I think what makes for good discussion is expressing views frankly and openly, and Islamicity is extremely liberal in that respect, as you well know. But let's keep the discussion respectful. As I mentioned before, theology by its very nature calls for faith and belief, and if you don't believe Moses literally parted the Red Sea, this is your choice. What point is there in becoming belligerent in your rejection, moreover to even articulate that you have somehow been harmed by such beliefs!? I personally feel it's entirely disingenuous to suggest political correctness or frank and open discussion is what's at play here, but just trolling an Islamic discussion board. I would hope that the moderators take note of such behavior as it is clearing in violation of the rules for discussion.

I'm not sure what you find disrespectful or in violation of the rules here. Is it the word "nonsense" that you find objectionable, or the claim that literalism poses a "serious threat"? Or something else that I'm missing?
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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:


The Moon has never split in two.

There has never been a world flood.

It does not matter that it says otherwise in any book, the Bible, the Koran or anything else. The world is as it is and wishing it otherwise is not going to change the world.

It does not matter if you are or are not offended by the real world. Have a look at the various Moon threads to see how we, atheists, respond to somebody talking gibberish. How else should we respond in that thread and then assume that we see any religious theology as equally valid. How should we respond and why should we respond differently?


Greetings Tim the plumber,

I would ask;
Where's the proof for your statements?

Undoubtedly though, you believe your statements to be true.

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Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

Blasphemy doesn't hurt people. Child pornography does.
Blasphemy can be ignored. Child pornography can't.

Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

When some Muslims claim that the Quran predicted all modern science or Islam is a superior religion or the Bible is corrupted or infidels will burn in hell, this does hurt my feelings. I get angry when to read such stuff. So what? My feelings and my anger are my problem. Everyone has the right to write nonsense like the splitting of the moon really happened. I have to live with that. And I do.

I agree with both these statements by Matt.


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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:


What is civil and what is not is different to all of us. Civility in Saudi Arabia demands that female politicians cannot directly talk to male citizens. Civility in the rest of the world demands that we explain to the Saudis that this is very wrong. Totally uncivil. They don't like people telling them that and demand civility.


I'll let the moderators decide what is civil on this discussion board. I can only suggest that when it comes to religious observances that the other have respect. What you have said about Saudi is not only incorrect, but even if it were, one would think "the rest of the world" would have far greater priorities for their demands. Further, I think one of the problems with secularism is that one only needs to consult ones own mind for what civility is or isn't. Those who have a set of morals and values stemming from theology have a path (sharia) to walk upon, or reference.
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