The EARTH is a CUBE!

Tim the plumber wrote: I thought you had decieded that this world was an illusion. If you are interested in the real world then you will need to start from it rather than starting from your own delusions and making the world fit them.

I've already said in THAT post that the believers have to participate in this world whilst doing their duties to Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala.

What I meant was that my first and foremost duty is to Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala where I try very hard to attend the masjid for prayers in time and afterwards to get on with my daily life. I have given up watching tv and movies, listening to music and using the mobile 24/7 (not that I ever did that).

The following Sura comes to mind.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who call upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance. And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life, and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect.
18:28

Ron Webb wrote: I'm not sure I understand.� Do you think atheists are happier than Muslims?� I don't know whether that is true or not; but if you think being a Muslim is a great burden, perhaps you're making it unnecessarily hard.� The Quran is supposed to be Al-Yusraa, "The Easy Way" of living.

Of course you don't understand hence the reason you are an atheist. Atheists are miserable sods who constantly think about suicide because there is no contentment in their lives. Their collective hearts have a disease where they just could not accept THE CREATOR.

Being a Muslim is only a burden to hypocrites whose hearts are diseased. When one truly loves Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and His final Messenger then Islam is the best thing since sliced bread. This is because acts of worship are not a burden but a pleasure. Getting up really early in the morning for Fajr prayers, fasting etc would be a real pleasure. :)

I suppose to some it will be a burden if they have to give up alcohol, gambling, women etc.

Ron Webb wrote: All that I have learned is not enough to convince me that God exists; in fact it has convinced me that He does not.� I couldn't choose to believe in God any more than I could choose to believe that 2 + 2 = 5.� I could pretend, I could be a hypocrite and say that I believe when I actually don't, but I can't change the inevitable conclusions I have reached in my own mind.Let me ask you again: Could you choose not to believe in God?

I have told you a thousand and one times that your heart and mind is sealed. You will not understand when you keep denying Him.

Of course you can choose to not to believe in God Almighty. You can believe in satan instead.

Ron Webb wrote: (I'm interpeting that first sentence as "No; one must choose".� I hope that's what you meant.)� It's not a question of what I prefer.� It's a question of what is true, in your or my estimation, based on the facts that you or I have been exposed to.Would I prefer 2 + 2 to equal 5?� Well, if I'm looking at my bank balance, then maybe -- but I don't think that's going to make much difference to my bank manager. [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align="middle" />

It's not rocket science.

Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has sent to all creatures his final revelation and it's all in there. You can find it if you look for it sincerely and with an open heart.

Edited by Abu Loren - 03 October 2015 at 3:24am

Abu Loren wrote: Tim the plumber wrote: I thought you had decieded that this world was an illusion. If you are interested in the real world then you will need to start from it rather than starting from your own delusions and making the world fit them. I've already said in THAT post that the believers have to participate in this world whilst doing their duties to Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. What I meant was that my first and foremost duty is to Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala where I try very hard to attend the masjid for prayers in time and afterwards to get on with my daily life. I have given up watching tv and movies, listening to music and using the mobile 24/7 (not that I ever did that). The following Sura comes to mind. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who call upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance. And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life, and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect. 18:28

OK, so you do participate in this real world. That would be the same real world where I live.

The same real world where there are different time zones around the world because the sun rises and sets at different times around the world.

That would not be if the earth was not a sphere. In this real world. The one you participate in.

Tim the plumber wrote: OK, so you do participate in this real world. That would be the same real world where I live. The same real world where there are different time zones around the world because the sun rises and sets at different times around the world. That would not be if the earth was not a sphere. In this real world. The one you participate in.

You STILL don't get it do ya?