The EARTH is a CUBE!

Abu,

Do you understand how navigation works?

I know that you do not, so really it's a bit unfair to ask, but people have been sailing to distant islands out of site of any other place and finding them time and again for several centuries. They have been able to do so by using maths based on the idea that the world is a sphere. That it is rotating. That the Sun and the stars are far away.

If you fly up to high altitude, higher than a normal comercial passenger jet, you can begin to see the curvature of the earth.

P.S. To all others; The agrument for there being any sort of God holds no more water in my mind that Abu's talk about the shape of the earth. All equally silly.

Tim the plumber wrote: Abu,Do you understand how navigation works?I know that you do not, so really it's a bit unfair to ask, but people have been sailing to distant islands out of site of any other place and finding them time and again for several centuries.They have been able to do so by using maths based on the idea that the world is a sphere. That it is rotating. That the Sun and the stars are far away.

Timothy no offence but debating with you is like talking to a five year old child who is just beginning to know the ways of the world.

Yes people have been traversing the seas for a few millennium without using maps but using the stars. The earth does not have to be a 'sphere' for somebody to go from A to B. If you look at the flat earth map that I provided, you will see that it is possible to travel the world without the earth being flat. If you put modern sailing or shipping char ton top of the flat earth it will fit nicely.

Tim the plumber wrote: If you fly up to high altitude, higher than a normal comercial passenger jet, you can begin to see the curvature of the earth. P.S. To all others; The agrument for there being any sort of God holds no more water in my mind that Abu's talk about the shape of the earth. All equally silly.

I've already said that all the photos that exist today of the earth are hoaxes. Nobody has yet taken a photo of the earth from 'outer space' because it is not possible for human beings to venture into outer space. If they ever do then what they will find is the earth being a cubical shape and we are at the top of it and bordered by either a square or a rectangular 'edge'.

Ron Webb wrote: "It seemed obvious"?  The number 7 occurs over and over again in the Quran and in Islamic mythology generally; but this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth, and there is nothing in the video that even suggests it.  You are asserting that the earth is a cube based on nothing more than your own authority.

Abu Loren wrote: You answer this then. Why do pilgrims go aorund the Ka'baa seven times anti-clockwise?

I suppose because Muhammad did.  As for why he chose the number 7, probably because that number has always (as far back as we can go) had mystical significance.

As for why seven has such significance, I've often wondered about it.  It seems to have originated with the seven day week, which (sort of) divides the lunar month into four equal parts.  A four week, 28 day month might have been a compromise between the sidereal month (the revolution of the moon measured against the stars) of 27.3 days and the synodic month (the phases of the moon, or its motion relative to the sun) of 29.5 days.  But I suppose we'll never know for sure.

If you look at the video you will see that viewing from the top it looks like the people are like stars going around the earth.

Or like stars revolving in a galaxy, or like clouds around a low pressure system, or water going down a drain.  Or buzzards circling a fresh kill.  Lots of things move in a circle.

I am not making assertions about religious matters, I don't have the authority. The shape of the earth is a religious matter in the sense that if I am right, then the Ka'baa proves the existence of God Almighty. It means that He deliberately put the shape f the earth at the centre of the world in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Okay, but if that is your goal, then you can't use religious authority to prove the validity of that religious authority.  If you have evidence that the earth is a cube, and you then find a religious authority that predicted it, then you would have solid evidence (though not necessarily proof) of the validity of that authority.  But to start with the opinion of a religious scholar makes the whole thing circular.

It was just a test. You and other atheists love to argue on religious matters when you have not knowldege, not even the basics. You guys quickly consult sheikh google to find out what we are talking about then come back and argue with us like you are experts.

I would never pretend to be an expert on the Quran, or on Islam.  I'm a lot like Wikipedia: every potentially controversial fact I present is backed up by solid references to legitimate authorities.  If I neglect to meet that standard, I would be pleased to have that pointed out to me.

What's so funny? Of course it's a global conspiracy. Anybody that says that the earth is a globe and that they have a 'space programme' are not telling the truth.

There are more than sixty countries directly involved in this "conspiracy" (including Iran, Saudi Arabia, and several other Muslim countries), and thousands more public and private agencies with the capability of tracking space flights.  Even Kettering Grammar School is apparently in on it.

These rockets that they love to show us going up can only go up so high then they have to come down. The coming down part we don't get to see. There is a limit to how high we go can go up.

I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but you can actually watch the International Space Station as it regularly passes overhead.  Go to http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/ to sign up for email alerts about twelve hours before it appears.  It's very bright and its motion makes it quite obvious -- you can't miss it.

It's all fantasy. And good tv time and advertisement for their respective space bodies so that they can grab as much funding as possible by defrauding their respective citizens.

Why couldn't they grab as much funding by telling the truth?  They're obviously doing something worth paying for.  They have the communications technology, meteorological services, navigational devices, aerial photos, etc., to prove it.  Why would they lie about the methodology?

Shucks, anyone involved in this conspiracy could become an instant celebrity and probably a millionaire by going public with the details and the evidence.  And yet nobody does.  Isn't that just a bit odd?