IslamiCity.org Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Religion - Islam > Prophets - Jesus
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - who is this man?  What is Islam What is Islam  Donate Donate
  FAQ FAQ  Quran Search Quran Search  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

who is this man?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123
Author
Message
BaruchHaba View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: 22 November 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 28
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaruchHaba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2015 at 6:00am
There is no need for God, a son of God, or even a Prophet of God to sacrifice himself for mankind�s sins in order to buy forgiveness. Islam refuses this view entirely. The foundation of Islam rests on knowing with certainty that nothing should we worshipped but God alone. Forgiveness emanates from the One True God; so, when a person seeks forgiveness, he must turn to God submissively with true remorse and beg forgiveness, promising not to repeat the sin. Then and only then will sins be forgiven.
----------------------------

Okay, but on what basis does God forgive sins? God is holy so sin must be repugnant to Him. How does he remain holy and forgive evil?

Edited by BaruchHaba - 22 November 2015 at 7:15am
Back to Top
AhmadJoyia View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 20 March 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 1647
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AhmadJoyia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2015 at 10:15am
Originally posted by BaruchHaba BaruchHaba wrote:

There is no need for God, a son of God, or even a Prophet of God to sacrifice himself for mankind�s sins in order to buy forgiveness. Islam refuses this view entirely. The foundation of Islam rests on knowing with certainty that nothing should we worshipped but God alone. Forgiveness emanates from the One True God; so, when a person seeks forgiveness, he must turn to God submissively with true remorse and beg forgiveness, promising not to repeat the sin. Then and only then will sins be forgiven.
----------------------------

Okay, but on what basis does God forgive sins? God is holy so sin must be repugnant to Him. How does he remain holy and forgive evil?
Simply on the basis of sincerity of the beggar asking forgiveness. Don't confuse 'holy' as antithesis of 'evil'. Since God is one, the only one and there is no one else to share His powers, it is He who commands everything, everywhere, every time. Thus, it is for Him, whom He choose to forgive or not. He allowed Satan (creature of God) to test humans for a limited time on the earth. So those of us who follow Satan and do evil till their death, will be punished on the day of Judgement. But those who repented their evil works before their death, we are told in the Quran that God has all the powers to forgive them.
Back to Top
macoooo View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 27 August 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 564
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote macoooo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 December 2015 at 1:10am
Originally posted by BaruchHaba BaruchHaba wrote:

There is no need for God, a son of God, or even a Prophet of God to sacrifice himself for mankind�s sins in order to buy forgiveness. Islam refuses this view entirely. The foundation of Islam rests on knowing with certainty that nothing should we worshipped but God alone. Forgiveness emanates from the One True God; so, when a person seeks forgiveness, he must turn to God submissively with true remorse and beg forgiveness, promising not to repeat the sin. Then and only then will sins be forgiven.
----------------------------

Okay, but on what basis does God forgive sins? God is holy so sin must be repugnant to Him. How does he remain holy and forgive evil?



One principle in the true Gospel and the Holy Koran

53. Say: "O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah Az-Zumar

Go directly to the Creator
He asked for forgiveness and remorse and not to return to sin again

There is no intermediary to reveal his mistakes

And take an instrument for forgiveness from the church

This is a particular delusion

Ahmed Deedat Is it permissible for a Muslim of forgiveness and entering paradise youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsgCytbAPmw
Back to Top
AhmadJoyia View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 20 March 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 1647
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AhmadJoyia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2016 at 1:41am
Originally posted by macoooo macoooo wrote:


Originally posted by BaruchHaba BaruchHaba wrote:

There is no need for God, a son of God, or even a Prophet of God to sacrifice himself for mankind�s sins in order to buy forgiveness. Islam refuses this view entirely. The foundation of Islam rests on knowing with certainty that nothing should we worshipped but God alone. Forgiveness emanates from the One True God; so, when a person seeks forgiveness, he must turn to God submissively with true remorse and beg forgiveness, promising not to repeat the sin. Then and only then will sins be forgiven.
----------------------------

Okay, but on what basis does God forgive sins? God is holy so sin must be repugnant to Him. How does he remain holy and forgive evil?
One principle in the true Gospel and the Holy Koran

53. Say: "O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah Az-Zumar

Go directly to the Creator
He asked for forgiveness and remorse and not to return to sin again

There is no intermediary to reveal his mistakes

And take an instrument for forgiveness from the church

This is a particular delusion

Ahmed Deedat Is it permissible for a Muslim of forgiveness and entering paradise youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsgCytbAPmw


Excellent work my brother. I love those who, like yourself, bring direct verses of Quran to make things simpler to understand and yet irrefutable. Best regards
Back to Top
EternalLight111 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie

Male
Joined: 12 January 2018
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 12
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote EternalLight111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2018 at 9:59pm
What if all religions are incorrect, but all contain both darkness and light, lies and truths. Perhaps consider what important is what type person you have lived to be in life, where you kind to others, loving, selfless, did you help the needy the poor. Or where you hateful, wicked, selfish, helped no one but yourselves, such is how you will be measured in judgement.

It clearly says who Jesus is, who Yehoshua is yet people deny it, he is the Christ the Messiah the Savior. If people are so clearly told by God this is his real Son and God calls his Son God, and gives him all power, is it not then wise to accept his Son and follow the example he showed when properly discerned understanding that in translating of scriptures people can error also. Calling him just a prophet and not even following his example makes a person a hypocrite.

What if Allah can now refer to the Son of God depending on how a person views it, would you still reject his other names like Jesus and Yehoshua. What if Allah can refer to God or Devil depending on how a person views what Allah is and same can be said for the other names.
Back to Top
2Acts View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 22 March 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 143
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 2Acts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2018 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

Originally posted by macoooo macoooo wrote:


Originally posted by BaruchHaba BaruchHaba wrote:

There is no need for God, a son of God, or even a Prophet of God to sacrifice himself for mankind�s sins in order to buy forgiveness. Islam refuses this view entirely. The foundation of Islam rests on knowing with certainty that nothing should we worshipped but God alone. Forgiveness emanates from the One True God; so, when a person seeks forgiveness, he must turn to God submissively with true remorse and beg forgiveness, promising not to repeat the sin. Then and only then will sins be forgiven.
----------------------------

Okay, but on what basis does God forgive sins? God is holy so sin must be repugnant to Him. How does he remain holy and forgive evil?
One principle in the true Gospel and the Holy Koran

53. Say: "O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah Az-Zumar

Go directly to the Creator
He asked for forgiveness and remorse and not to return to sin again

There is no intermediary to reveal his mistakes

And take an instrument for forgiveness from the church

This is a particular delusion

Ahmed Deedat Is it permissible for a Muslim of forgiveness and entering paradise youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsgCytbAPmw


Excellent work my brother. I love those who, like yourself, bring direct verses of Quran to make things simpler to understand and yet irrefutable. Best regards

Either Macoooo is wrong or the Quran is wrong because the Quaran says the Christian Injeel / Christian Gospels are correct. S. 19.30, S. 3:3, Sura 5:46 Sura 19:30.
And the Injeel / Christian Gospels are clear. Jesus was crucified for the sins of mankind.

Edited by 2Acts - 16 January 2018 at 10:12pm
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.