REVELATION 12, THE UNIVERSAL PROPHET

THE RED DRAGON

If Muhammad (S) fulfilled revelation 12 then who or what is this �Red dragon�?

�And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.�  (Rev. 12:3-5) 

The great red dragon represents the Pagan Empire; the seven head represent Seven Empire each with a king. The enemy of the church at that time is the Sixth Empire and it was mentioned in Rev. 17:10.

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come (Rev. 17:10)

At the time of this prophesies in Rev. 17:10 five Empire has fallen and one exists (The Pagan Empire) at the time of this prophecy and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) was yet to come. The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christians (people of the Book at that time) and defeated them, then the Roman�s Christian (the people of the Book at that time) under Heracles defeated the Persian Empire in March 628. After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur�an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness and then there were overpower by Islam in 638 (Rapid expansion of Islam). Islam took Heracles by surprise 565�717. They then became the seventh Empire (British empire).

Allah revealed to Muhammad (S)

�The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persians).� (N.Q. 30:2-4)

The woman which is the church that Great City fled into the wilderness and that is Paran (Arabia) Gen. 21:21, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they Pilgrims should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

That is 1260 years according to the scripture each day represent a year; and that is the same period Islam rule the world. It mentioned:

"After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise."  (Numbers 14:34)

The woman were given two wings is the church (Islam) �split in two� and fled into the wilderness of Paran and the serpent is the great red dragon which represents the crusaders. Now, we have two wings (Sunney and Shia) of the one church (Islam) and it was describe as �two witness� in Revelation 11:3-4. Both fled into the wilderness the same period 1260 yrs.

�And to the woman were given two wings�that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev. 12:14;)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev. 11:3-4);

 �the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.� (Rev. 1:20)

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev. 12:6)

Two groups of from the same church:

Abu Hurayrah said, �The Prophet (S) said, �The Hour will not come until the following events have come to pass: two large groups will fight one another, and there will be many casualties; they will both be following the same religious teaching� Knowledge will disappear, earthquake will increase, time will pass quickly, affliction will appear, and Harj (i.e. killing) will increase. Wealth will increase�People will compete in constructing high building�the sun will rise from the west; When it rises and people see it, the will believe, but, �no good will it do a soul to believe then, if he believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith��(al-An am 6:158; Bukhari, kitab al-Fitan,9/74)

The Dragon is the false church and is one the same source with the Beast; both have seven heads and ten horns and the false church will carry the beast 666.

�And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. (Rev. 12:3)

I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (Rev. 17:3)

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev. 17:11)

At the time of this prophesies in Rev. 17:10 five Empire has fallen and one exists (The Pagan Empire) at the time of this prophecy and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) is yet to come which is the seventh Empire (the British Empire) and from the seventh will come the eight, it will appears in the fourth corner of the earth. It was prophesy in Rev. 6:7-8:

And when he had open the forth seal�a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the west), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. (Rev. 6:7-8)

The Global Freemasonry which is under the banner �Crusaders� led by Pope Urban II in 1095, he manage to mobilize France England Germany and Italy to persecute the woman, the church that great city. Who are they today? They Rothschild Zionism (AIPAC) who set up this man made world system.

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Learn more about the history of the new world order as it pertains to modern times and what's going on in the news today. From kabalists, to Gnostics, knights Templars, Rosicrucian, Jesuits, and freemasonry right down to the illuminati people speak of today. New World Order_ Secret Society and Bible prophesy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6v8nzFiUk

Father of lies setting in the Temple of God: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30875&PN=4

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THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND THE DEVIL�S INFILTRATION

Jesus (s) tells us who Christians is really following:

Let�s look at Matthew 13: 24-30 where Jesus (S) Prophesy the coming of the kingdom of God in parable and the devil infiltration.

It is mentioned in Matthew24

�And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  ⁵For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many�. (Matthew 24:4-5)

Did Muhammad (S) come in Jesus (S) name and say I am Christ? No! Did the Angel that spoke to Muhammad (S) claim that he is Jesus (S)? No!

Let us look at Paul encounter:

Acts 9:1-8

¹And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

²And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

³And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

⁴And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

⁵And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (Acts 9:1-5)

What Jesus (S) said? He said:

�For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.�  (Matthew 24:5)

Note: Paul never met Jesus (S) and he said: �he saw a light� and �heard a voice� and the voice claimed, �he is Jesus.� What is most striking is the divine word the voice mentioned is: �it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.� (Acts 9:1-8 KJV). Is that a word from God or the Devil?

Jesus (s) prophesied the devil would also have a message here to deceive the world. Remember in Matthew 6:31-32 it mentioned:

The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

And I�ve explained that, the �grain of mustard seed� is �a message the word of God [Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God� (Luke 8:11)] and �the man� is �the one who will delivered that message�. Well the enemy which is the Devil also sowed a seed, he also will have a message that people will follow; both message will run parallel, Jesus (S) prophecy it in Matthew 13:24-39.

24 �Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:�

25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 �But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matthew 13:24-30)

He explained to the disciples the parable:

36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; (Matthew 13:36-37)

The son of man mentioned there is not Jesus (s) because he was talking about how the kingdom of God will come and that is by sowing of a seed, which is a message. I have established before that the kingdom of God and the man child that mentioned in Revelation 12 when he would have come then the Kingdom of God would come [And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God� (Rev. 12:5-10)], and he would come from another nation, Jesus (S) informed us (Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.� (Matt. 21:42-44) and he also knew of him, thus, he addresses him as the son of man. It�s in John 3:13 (KJV).  

 �And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is �IN� heaven.� (John 3:13 KJV)

  Jesus (S) was the Son of man �ON� earth and he spoke about �another� Son of man which is �IN� heaven. 

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The good seed are those who follow the kingdom of God / the universal message and the tares are those who follow message of the Devil.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (Matthew 13:38-39)

As you can see, the Devil also sowed a seed here, he has a false message here also but when did that happen? That happens when Paul had the visit that he claimed that it was Jesus (S) whom he never met nor saw before.

The Devil has sowed tares (falsehood) among the wheat (truth), then that falsehood later established a foundation at the counsel of Nicaea Council 325 A.D. the new form of Christianity: http://www.islamtomorrow.com/bible/NicaeaCouncil325.htm

Then After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims in 638, the new form of Christianity under Pope Gregory the Great (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the Crusaders  [the seventh king (Empire)] then evolve in the west as the eight king (Modern day Pagan�s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation: �And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition� (Rev.17:11).  It was Great Britain and the west the Devil used for sow his tares (children of the wicked one) universally against the children of the Kingdom of God (Those who followed God�s universal message).

40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  and buyeth that field.

Allah (s) said:

�Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee�� (Quran 5:47-48)

�There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, �That is from Allah,� But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Quran 3:78)

O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Quran 5:15)

�So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (S) and the message he brought]. (Quran 3:50)

Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Quran 17:9)

Say: �O People of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that comes to us and that which came before (us)�?� (Quran 5:59)

Your companion is neither astray nor mislead, of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him: he was taught by one Mighty in Power. (Quran 53:2-5)

�And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, We are Christians Because among these are men devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (Quran 5:82)

Allah (S) instructs us:

 �Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance.� (Quran 16:125)

And whoever contradicts and apposes the Messenger [Muhammad (pbuh)] after the right path has been shown clearly to him. And follows other others than the believers� way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in hell � what an evil destination! (N.Q. 4:115)

Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sin than this: one who join other gods with Allah, hath strayed far, far away (from the right) (Quran 4:116)

And those who are firmly grounded with knowledge say: �We believe in it (the Qur�an); the whole of it (clear and unclear verses) are from our Lord:� and none will grasp the message except men of understanding. (Quran 3:7)

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)�But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. (Quran 3:19)

If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Quran 3:85)

�And say to the People of the Book��Do ye (also) submit yourselves?� If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah�s sight are (all) His servants. (Quran 3:20)

Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book is a portion that stand (for the right)�they rehearse the Sign of Allah all night long� (Quran 3:113)

Narrated Abu Burdah�s father: Allah�s Messenger (S) said, ��if any man of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) believes in his own Prophet and then believes in me [Muhamed (pbuh)] too, he will (also) get a double reward� [Sahih Al Bukari, 7/5083 (O.P.20)]                                                                           

The day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its Faith. (Q. 6:158)

Narrated Abu Hurairah �: Allah�s Messenger (pbuh) said, �The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the earth, will have faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before.� [Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6/4635 (O.P.159)]

Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Q .39:53-54) 

"Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped. (Q. 39:054)

Allah (S) said:

�Had We sent down this Qur'�n on a mountain, you would surely have seen it humbling itself and rending asunder by the fear of All�h. Such are the parables which We put forward to mankind that they may reflect. (Q. 59:21) 

6. And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h unto you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."

7. And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against All�h while he is being invited to Isl�m? And All�h guides not the people who are, Z�lim�n (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers) folk.

8. They intend to put out the Light of All�h (i.e. the religion of Isl�m, this Qur'�n, and Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths. But All�h will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it).

9. He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the religion of truth (Isl�mic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrik�n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of All�h and in His Messenger Muhammed ) hate (it).� (Qur�an 61:6-9)

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�Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)

WARNING:

And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).  Quran 2:42)

 �Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, - on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,� (Quran 2:159)

Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Quran 2:174)

 End of Ch. 4

           Br Zainool (TNC)

Edited by truthnowcome - 30 July 2015 at 3:35am

Peace maker wrote:  You read everything, it before your eyes but you are to blind to see. John 12:40 says that God hardens some mens hearts, and blinds their eyes so they can�t understand and be converted and healed. John12:39 says that they could not believe because of this. So did these men have a free will to believe in God. First of all, it needs to be understood that there is a difference between the telic and the ecbatic when it comes to scriptures being fulfilled. When it says �that it might be fulfilled� that does not mean that this specific event was prophesied of by Isaiah, but only that such a scripture is fulfilled by this specific event through applicability or similarity. When a scripture is in the telic sense it refers to a specific prophecy, but when it is used in the ecbatic sense it refers to events that fulfill passages through parallelism. Matthew 13:14-15 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: ��You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them. Prophets and the Messiahs are often but erroneously juxtaposed: the prophet is Messiah; Messiah is Christ; Christ is prophet, rabbi, teacher, etc. Certainly, there is a huge contrast between the two. No matter how parallel they tend to be placed together, they would never be the same. It is just like kerosene and water: even though both are in liquid state, they can never be the same, no matter how hard they are mixed together. Of course, the prophets and the Messiahs do not share the same lineage (genealogy). A prophet is a person who God gives some certain revelations or messages to deliver concerning a particular incident or event; or to a king or nation disobedient to the word of God. The message would not be permanent. Once it is delivered, the assignment is terminated.

Peace unto you!

Peace maker, you can do better than that, don't post your "opinion" in reply, refute me point by point with scriptures.

You lecturing me the difference between "Prophets and Messiah". Messiah is only a "title" given to Jesus (S), a Prophet is some one who is sent to remind people of what is already revealed by a "Messenger"; and you failed to recognize what is a Messenger. A Messenger is the one came with a message of guidance.

Jesus (S) was a Messenger and a prophet, he was sent with a message to delivered and also remind his people of the Message given to Moses (S) and he was given the title "Messiah" (one who is anointed).

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WHERE THE CHURCH IS AND WHO JESUS (S) SAID HE IS

  To explain who Jesus (S) is I will begin with quoting from the Qur�an. We Muslims believed that all the miracle he did was with the permission of Allah (S). It is mentioned in the Qur'an 3: 49-51 That Jesus (S) said:  �Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you if you are to be believers.
And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.�

 The N.T. also supported the Qur�an in that statement of Jesus� (S), he said: �I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.� (John 5:30); �For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.�  (John 12:49)

 

JESUS (S) REVEALED HIS TRUE IDENTITY TO HIS DISCIPLES

It is stated in Matthew 16:13-15:

�When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?� (Matthew 16:13-15)

  Very important question, he is about to let you know who he is.

V.16 Simon Peter answered and said, �You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.� (Matt. 16:16)

 Note: the word "Christ" is �Messiah� in Hebrew:

 �He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ;� (John 1:41)

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.� (John 4:25-26)

Having said that, let us look at Matthew 16: 17-18.

Jesus answered and said to him, �Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.V.18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:17-18)

 Note very important: Jesus (S) made his claimed that he is the Messiah (foretold in the OT.), the Son of the living God; he didn�t claimed he is God Almighty! 

When Jesus (S) mentioned: �he is the Messiah, the Son of the living God�, that does not mean God has a biological son or he is a part of God as Christians believe; they misunderstood Jesus (S) statement in context of his message. The O.T. clearly stated Adam (S) the first Man the God of Abraham(s) created is his son and anyone who led by the spirit of God is the sons of God; and Jesus (S) falls in that category.

In the N.T. it mentioned:

��Adam, which was the son of God.� (Luke 3:38)  

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

Jesus (S) was led by the spirit of God:

�I saw the Spirit descending from heaven..., and abode upon him.�(John 1:32)

"...I cast out devils by the Spirit of God then the kingdom of God is come unto you." (Matthew 12:28)

 "I can of mine own self do nothing " (John 5:30)

 

JESUS (S) EXPLAINED WHAT HE MEANT BY SAYING HE IS THE MESSIAH SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

Let us look at John 10:23-32; this explanation was given by the late Ahmad Deedat (May Allah (S) grant him Jannah):

23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep... (John 10:23-26)

 Jesus (S) rebuts the false charge of the Jews that he was ambiguous in his claims to be the Messiah that they were waiting for. He says that he did tell them clearly enough, yet they would not listen to him. So he said:

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29)

 You see the exactness of the ending of the last two verses?

 Pluck them out of �my hand�

 Pluck them out of �my Father's hand.�

 He is telling the Jews the "REAL UNITY" or "RELATIONSHIP" between the Father and the son. The most crucial verse -

  V.30 - I and my Father are one. (John 10:30)

 

 One in what, DIVINITY? NO! ONE IN "PURPOSE" Once a believer has accepted faith, then Jesus (S) sees to it he remain in faith and God Almighty also sees to it that he remains in faith. This is the "PURPOSE" of the "Father" and the "son" and the "Holy Ghost" and of "every man and every woman of faith". John said that in John 17:21

  That they "ALL" may be "ONE"; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that also may be "ONE" in "US"...I in them, and "THOU (THE DICIPLES) in �ME (JESUS)�, that "THEY (ALL) may be made "PERFECT in ONE"... John 17:21

 

 The Jews also miss the point like all Christians.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 - Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33-The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34-Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35-If he (God Almighty) called them (the Jews) gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36-Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:31-36)

Jesus said: "YOUR LAW... YE ARE GODS." He is quoting from 82nd. Psalm V.6 �I have said, YE ARE GODS: and all of you are children of the most High.�

 Jesus is saying, "If He (God Almighty) called them (holy men) God, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken (in other words - YOU CAN'T CONTRADICT ME!)." He knows his scripture; if good men, holy men, prophets of God are address as 'GODS' in our Books of authority, with which you find no fault - then why do you take exception to me?

So, as you can clearly Jesus (S) himself explained his position as the son of God.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

 

��the Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee.� (Psalms 2:7)

                                        

 

Jesus (S) was led by Spirit of God:

 

�And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven�and abode upon him.� (John 1:32)

 

�I cast out devil by the Spirit of God. Then the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Matt. 12:28)

 

I can of mine own self do nothing� (John. 5:30)

 

�I with the finger of God cast out devil� (Luke. 11:20)

 

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:50) 

 

Jesus (s) is a servant and messenger of God, he said:

 

"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." (John 13:16)

Jesus answered them and said, �My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.� (John 7:16)

 

He was �sent� by his God! He said:

 

�For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.�  (John 12:49)

 

�I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.� (John 5:30)

 

WHO IS JESUS (S) FATHER?

 

Jesus (S) said:

 

��Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and my God, and your God.� (John 20:16-17 AKJV)

 

According to him, his Father is �OUR GOD and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, He said: �MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.�

    

         And the following verse he declared that he is not good only God is good, in reply to someone he (S) said to him:

 

"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)

JESUS (S) DECLARED WHERE WOULD BE THE CHURCH.

 Remember what Jesus (S) said in Matt.16:15-18? He said: �Bless art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.�

  Peter name was �Simon Bar-jona� and Jesus (S) change his name to �Peter� (Little Rock). The Rock represent Peter�s message; and upon this rock I will build my church. Peter was the only one knew whom Jesus (S) was when he said: �Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,� he understood that anyone led by the Spirit of God is the Son of God.

 

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

 

 

Peter testimony when address the Jews:

 

�Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, �a man approve of God� among you by miracles and wonders and sign, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you your self also know� (Acts 2:22)

 

Jesus (S) conforms when he said:

"I am a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God." (John 8:40)

In the O.T, Numbers 23: 17-19 put it all together. It read:

17 And when he came to him, behold, he stood by his burnt offering, and the princes of Moab with him. And Balak said unto him, What hath the Lord spoken?

18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:

19 GOD IS NOT A MAN, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Number 23: 17-19)

Which Church teaches that Jesus (S) is a man approve of God? Islam!!

 

And he (S) said:

 

�And the gate of hell shall not prevail against it.� (Matt. 16:18)

 

 

In Qur�an it stated in 74:31 �And We have set non but angels as guardian of the fire��

 

 JESUS (S) IN ISLAM, HE SAID:

�Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you if you are to be believers.
And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path. (Qur'an 3:49-51)

Jesus (S) conforms:

�And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: V.30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.� (Mark 12:29-30)

 

And in Exodus 20: 3-5 it mentioned:

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God

Br. Zainool
 



Edited by truthnowcome - 09 August 2015 at 4:14pm

Peace maker wrote:   The Attributes of a True Messiah He is referred to as God in a human form; Supreme Spirit in human form; God-Man. He speaks His Words because He is the Supreme Spirit Himself. Jesus told his disciples, �If you see me, you have seen my Father� This means Jesus is the Father in Spirit. The Spirit is the Father. The Mind and Body of Jesus are parts of the Being that are seen, and referred to as Jesus. Nevertheless, the Spirit, Mind and Body (Trinity) are the same.

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For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

Peter testimony when address the Jews:

 

�Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, �a man approve of God� among you by miracles and wonders and sign, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you your self also know� (Acts 2:22)

 

Jesus (S) conforms when he said:

"I am a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God." (John 8:40)

In the O.T, Numbers 23: 17-19 put it all together. It read:

17 And when he came to him, behold, he stood by his burnt offering, and the princes of Moab with him. And Balak said unto him, What hath the Lord spoken?

18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:

19 GOD IS NOT A MAN, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Number 23: 17-19)

Br. Zainool


Edited by truthnowcome - 09 August 2015 at 4:52pm