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Originally posted by Alibaba Alibaba wrote:

Low yield nuclear weapons can destroy those mountains without leaving severe side effects.  There will be some, but none like WW2.

If low yield nuclear weapons are so harmless, why is the U.S. government using them as a scare tactic? I can't count the number of times I've heard some member of the administration or "terrorist expert" in the media claiming that a hand carried low yield nuclear weapon in the hands of a terrorist could kill 100,000's immediately and leave devastation that would take years to clean up.

Apparently they are only not that severe if used in other countries?



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what causes more destruction - atom bomb or nuclear bomb?

how can anyone forget how u.s. miserably attacked hiroshima and nagasaki in japan by an atom bomb which caused wide scale destruction and whose after-effects still prevail.

that u.s. which used an atom bomb on japan wants to teach iran not to make a nuclear bomb?

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Originally posted by earth_as_one earth_as_one wrote:

Thanks for the response Community.

My understanding is that Iran elects their leaders after they have been screened by the religious authority.  The people pulling the strings of power behind the scenes are religious. That makes Iran a Theocracy. 

In a way, here in Canada, in the west in General and especially in the US our political candidates also go through a screening process.  If you don't have the support of the wealthy elite and the media moguls, you will never be heard.  Sure anyone can run, but without millions of dollars behind you, you haven't a chance.  The people pulling the strings of power behind the scenes are the wealthy elite.  That's makes most western nations, Plutocracies.

Both systems seem only partially Democratic.  Or they create an illusion of Democracy.  One is based on piousness, the other on greed.  Personally I really don't care for either system.  I wish we had a movement here in the West to become more Democratic.

I'm not a Muslim, but provoking a war, seems well, un-Islamic.  If I understand Islam, its a peaceful and tolerant Religion.  Sure like any religion it has its fanatics who would hide behind a religious facade to promote hatred and violence to further their ambition driven agenda.

Surely the Iranians know that a direct conflict with the US/Israel would be, as ak_m_f noted, suidical.  As the recent invasion of Iraq proved, these nations have the power and the will to invade and occupy other nations.

So I wonder what the advantage is?  The US is bogged down in Iraq.  From my observations of the US, starting another war would be unpopular.

Is Iran ready for war?  If so they better have a way to neutralize America's air superiority.  If it came down to a purely ground based war, I think Iran could defend itself.

So based on your response I did some research.

This link analyses how Iran might fight the US

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/18401

This link shows Iran has domestic reserves of uranium ore

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/mines.htm

Iran's military

http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_9944.shtml

Iran's purchase of Russian Tor-M1 surface to air missile systems.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/354/16570_Iran.html

I'm not an expert, but it looks to me like Iran still needs time to be able to defend itself from the US.  Its still a couple of years away from possessing nukes.  Its air defenses are still a work in progress.  But it does have a significant CW and BW capability.

Overall, the best Iran can hope for is a draw.  More likely a war with the US will result in a invasion/occupation.

I still don't see the logic behind Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's anti-Israel remarks. 

I believe OBL made the same mistake. He thought that he could get the US out of the middle-east by provocation and attacks on the US. It did the exact opposite. There are now more US and Westerners in the middle-east than ever before. Iran is making the same mistake now. By provoking a conflict, they are mistakenly thinking it will instill fear and make the west and the US leave. If you don't want conflict, you don't build your military up and make accusations and threats. The result will be the opposite of the desire. I feel for the innocent caught in the middle of bad decisions by their leaders.

This is the same mistake the Palastinians made by electing a terrorist organization to it's government. There will never be peace for Palistine with these actions. Never.
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Originally posted by USA1 USA1 wrote:

There will never be peace for Palistine with these actions. Never.

insha Allah there will be peace in palestine but not in israel
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Originally posted by voiceoftawheed voiceoftawheed wrote:

Originally posted by Community Community wrote:

I am just a warner.



Your posts contain only the happy feelings and explanations of American triumph everywhere; no warning or suggestions for the Islamic world. You are a defender of US leaders' misdeeds.

You are accustomed to visualise the Muslim rulers as greedy-power hungry. You are unable the see the continuously increasing American military bases around the world. You justify Bush's killing of more than a million innocent Afghans just because a person's involvement in framing a master-plot for 9/11. A diplomatic approach to this issue could have saved the millions of lives.

If the Muslim rulers are greedy Bush is the greediest, if the Muslim rulers are corrupt Bush can very easily be considered as the most corrupt 'Dictator'. Yes, he is a dictator under the veil of a mock democracy. Now everybody knows about how he imposed an unwanted war on Iraq; and his recent order to eavesdrop on American citizens.

 

We tried diplomacy but it failed. And you say "just because a persons involvement in framing a master-plot for 9/11" You are right and we were justified no matter what any of you think. We gave them a chance to hand over one person but they didn't. The deaths of "millions" (please show proof) of afghans are one the taliban not the US. Now Iraq is a different story but we had every right to invade Afghanistan.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

So America aren't planning to use nuclear weapons? OK.
I buy burgers, because I want to eat burgers.
I drive a nice car, because I want to drive a nice car
America has around 20K nuclear warheads, because...?

The US's bullyboy tactics are (unfortunately) tried and proven. I suggest we all head for the hills and start building our fall out bunkers now.

 

Well since someone slept through history class (probably wouldn't understand if you hadn't) we have those nukes because there was this little nation called Russia that was building up it's own arsenal.
Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

what causes more destruction - atom bomb or nuclear bomb?

how can anyone forget how u.s. miserably attacked hiroshima and nagasaki in japan by an atom bomb which caused wide scale destruction and whose after-effects still prevail.

that u.s. which used an atom bomb on japan wants to teach iran not to make a nuclear bomb?

 

Dropping those bombs was completely justified and saved hundreds of thousands American lives. Without those nukes many more lives would of been lost.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by ops154 ops154 wrote:

Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

what causes more destruction - atom bomb or nuclear bomb?

how can anyone forget how u.s. miserably attacked hiroshima and nagasaki in japan by an atom bomb which caused wide scale destruction and whose after-effects still prevail.

that u.s. which used an atom bomb on japan wants to teach iran not to make a nuclear bomb?

ops, u r just giving an excuse !

 

Dropping those bombs was completely justified and saved hundreds of thousands American lives. Without those nukes many more lives would of been lost.

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