War on Islam Not ISIS

sultanmuradII wrote: That a plight of people is a test with the reward and punishment in the hereafter, and that prayer may have other purposes such as being rewardable in itself, and that the creator does not intervene all the time or in a manner that you may expect, and that there are conditions for prayers to be accepted, and that many prayers maybe being accepted you just don't perceive them. Just a few of these points should make you wonder that you haven't understood Islam, or religion for that matter, in the slightest - before you started attacking it.

Belief in rewards or punishment in the "hereafter", without the slightest evidence that the "hereafter" even exists, is ridiculous. It is a fraud perpetrated on the ignorant and credulous as a means of obtaining power. There is also a complete lack of testable evidence that prayer has any efficacy whatsoever. All such rigorous tests, and there have been many, have come to the same conclusion. You seem to be happy with your delusions. That's fine. Unfortunately, too many of your co-religionists use those delusions as an excuse for murder and oppression.

Defeating Islam is the issue... ISIS/Al Qaeda/Islamist groups is the pretext.

The imperialists do politics, fight wars, occupy lands and kill millions not for mere economic exploitation and military or political gains. They want to defeat and destroy their ideological competitors and survive as the sole civilizational force on earth. After the sudden demise of Socialist Soviet Union � the West�s most powerful ideological challenger, the Western imperialists had a great joy of relief and a strong spell of euphoria. They thought that they have won the final war of ideas and the history of mankind has reached its end with liberal capitalism as the global norm of civilisation. They could really think of a global village with global Western values. The euphoria was so immense that many capitalist gurus like Francis Fukuyama declared it the end of history. Carl Marx too, died with a dream of such euphoria. He believed that the victory of the proletariat and the emergence of classless communist society are inevitable. Marx claimed it the ultimate end of historical determinism. But such Marxist theory proved utter nonsense.
With the emergence of Taleban Islamists in Afghanistan, establishment of Islamic khilafa in Iraq and Syria, and rise of militant Islamists in many other parts of the world, euphoria of the capitalists has also quickly evaporated. Fukuyama�s �end of history� proved nonsense, too. In fact, the history itself proved it never ends. Since the clash between the Divine truth and the satanic falsehood survives in all ages; history too continues. Contrary to the common belief of the capitalists and the socialists, history never takes a linear course. History takes turns and even makes reversals. It itself doesn�t possess any inherent determinants to decide its own destiny. Force of the Divine faith, concomitant commitment of the followers of the faith and ultimate wish of Allah Subhana wa Taala decide which way the history should move.
The engine of history is running fast in many parts of the Muslim world. It is getting enormous fuel from the blood of the Islamists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Somalia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mali, Nigeria, Algeria and many other parts of the world. Islam is showing a strong global resurgence. The Western imperialists are not happy with such a new trend of history; and want to stop it. Hence President Barak Hussain Obama and his cronies had to declare a global war against the Islamists. So the US, the UK, the French, the Canadian and the Australian planes are on a bombing mission in Iraq and Syria. Defeating Islam has emerged as the most important issue in the capitalist camp.

marcello wrote: Matt Browne wrote: You can't fight bad thinking with weapons. Only with debate. While I agree with most of your post, I seem to recall that weapons were an important component of fighting the "bad thinking" of Naziism. But I still don't support the West's getting involved at all in Syria and Iraq. Let the Sunni's and Shia's battle it out with their own troops and weapons. Maybe that will accelerate a successful Islamic "reformation", like the European wars of religion in the 16th-17th centuries did for Christianity.

Greetings marcello,

If only it were that simple.  There are other players with their own agendas... i.e., Iran and Russia.
Iran wants to get rid of Israel
Russia wants to be the pre-emininent power in the world
The U.S. wants to guard against threats to its own position
All of these have a stake in providing funds and weapons that fuel the fights.
Oh yes, let's not leave out Saudi Arabia... I can't even figure out how that piece fits into the puzzle, but I know that it does...
Turkey also...

I agree the only way this battle is going to be won is when the hearts and minds of men are won... no more teaching of hatred to young children... no more teaching of prejudice and war against people who are not like yourselves.  This has to begin in the top of leadership, so that these things are not taught in the schools, or in the homes, or in the religious venues...
and there seems no way to change these hearts and minds...
because they believe what they do, how they think, comes from the Creator Himself...

I think even among the Germans, they knew that Naziism was wrong, and yes, help was needed to get rid of the Nazi power and rule.

The trouble now is, who is there to help to overcome this depraved ideology and hatred that is so widespread that it is not contained to the rulership of one nation only.


Edited by Caringheart - 12 October 2014 at 3:19pm

Yes, Caringheart, hatred is so widespread that we probably need one or two generations to undo the poisoning and brainwashing of millions of Muslims all around the world. What we need is a long-term strategy. We need to learn from examples that already work. A good example are the Kurds. Most of them are moderate Sunni Muslims. In Iraq they were eager to help the persecuted Yazidis and Christians. We need to ask: What goes right when the Kurds teach Islam to their children?