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Caringheart
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Greetings MIAW,
I have found those hadiths which I mentioned. Narrated by 'Umar bin Al-Khattab I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper, and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Sura which I heard you reciting?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me." I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle has taught it to me in a different way from yours." So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said (to Allah's Apostle): "I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!" On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him, (O 'Umar!) Recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way as I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way," and added, "Recite, O 'Umar!" I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever (way) is easier for you (or read as much of it as may be easy for you)." sahih-bukhari, Vol. 6, book 61, number 514 What do you say about these; "Ubayy entered the mosque and, hearing a man recite, asked him who had instructed him. The man replied that he had been taught by the Prophet. Ubayy went in search of the Prophet. When the man recited. Muhammad said, 'That is correct.' Ubayy protested, 'But you taught me to recite so-and-so,' The Prophet said that Ubayy was right too. 'Right? right?' burst out Ubayy in perplexity. The Prophet struck him on the chest and prayed, 'O Allah! cause doubt to depart.' Ubayy broke into a sweat as his heart filled with terror. Muhammad disclosed that two angels had come to him. One said, 'Recite the Qur'an in one form.' The other advised Muhammad to ask for more than this. That was repeated several times until finally the first angel said. 'Very well. Recite it in seven forms.' The Prophet said, 'Each of the forms is grace-giving, protecting, so long as you don't terminate a punishment verse with an expression of mercy, or vice-versa - as you might for example say, Let's go; or, let's be off.' " (Tafsir of Tabari.). "A man complained to the Prophet, Abdullah taught me to recite a Sura of the Qur'an. Zaid taught me the same Sura and so too did Ubayy. The readings of all three differ. Whose reading ought I to adopt?' Muhammad remained silent. Ali who was at his side replied, 'Every man should recite as he was taught. Each of the readings is acceptable, valid.' " (Tafsir of Tabari). "Umar said, I heard Hisam b. Hukaim reciting Surat al Furqan and listened to his recital. On observing that he was reading many forms which the Prophet had not taught me, I all but rushed upon him as he prayed. But I waited patiently as he continued, and, collaring him when he had finished, I asked him, 'Who taught you to recite this Sura?' He claimed that the Prophet had taught him. I said, 'By God! you're lying!' I dragged him to the Prophet telling him that I had heard Hisam recite many forms he had not taught me. The Prophet said, 'Let him go. Recite, Hisam.' He recited the reading I had already heard from him. The Prophet said, 'That is how it was revealed.' He then said, 'Recite, Umar', and I recited what he had taught me. He said, 'That's right. That is how it was revealed. This Qur'an was revealed in seven forms, so recite what is easiest.' "(Tafsir of Tabari). (See also Mishkat vol.III pp. 702-705). Also, Al Baizawi (in his commentary on Suras 3:100, 6:91, 19:35, 28:48, 33:6, 34:18, 38:22, etc.) suggests variations extant in his time. (Mizanu'l Haqq, page 261). "Umar bin Al-Khattab and Hisham bin Hakim were from the same tribe, therefore, this difference was not just a matter of dialect. Muslim leaders are exaggerating when they say there is only one version of the Qur'an. From the very beginning there were several versions. " asalaam alaykum, Peace and blessings to you, Caringheart |
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And then Uthman burnt them all ! |
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Caringheart
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Greetings MIAW,
Now you just need to do more research about the qur'an... how there were several versions, and how it was Uthman that chose which to keep, and had the rest burned. There was much dispute among the early followers of Muhammad about which version of the qur'an to follow. There is even a hadith which speaks of a man who came to Muhammad asking which he was to follow, and Muhammad said to 'take your pick'. I am trying to find that hadith and if I have enough time to find it, I will come back and share it. asalaam alaykum, Caringheart |
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MIAW
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I didn't even have to go to Islamic literature to find that what you are saying here is incorrect. I found the exact opposite of what you are saying above, Just by going to Wikipedia: About the Bible: How it was written: For a long time the texts were passed on by word of mouth from generation to generation. The Bible was written long ago in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek. Translations were made later into Latin and some other languages. Now there are translations in English and many other languages. The books of the Hebrew Bible�what Christians call the Old Testament�were not all written at the same time. It took hundreds of years (about 1200 years). The process of putting it all together began around 400 B.C. The New Testament, which was originally written in Greek, began to be put together in about 100 A.D. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible And about the Quran: ...several companions of Muhammad served as scribes and were responsible for writing down the revelations. [Note: 'Companions' means they were writing the Qur'an as it was being revealed] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran#Relationship_with_other_literature MIAW Edited by MIAW - 29 January 2018 at 11:10am |
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Frankly,
this online "book" on "creationism" is a hopeless jumble. The first page I opened was the one entitled: "What Was Archaeopteryx?". Further down on this page the writer concludes: Archaeopteryx�s fame seems assured, not as a transitional fossil between dinosaurs (or reptiles) and birds, but as a forgery. Unlike the Piltdown hoax, which fooled leading scientists for more than 40 years, the Archaeopteryx hoax has lasted for 150 years. Jesus Christ, there are 12 different specimen found at different times and by different people. And you still believe they all take willingly part in your conspiracy/fake theory ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The next page I checked was "Why Are Creation and the Flood Important?" This flooding story is probably one of the most ridiculous ones. Any idea where all the water should come from ? Any idea how a stone age man should have build such a ship ? How did he collect all the different animals around the earth's continents ? Did the skippies swim to the middle east to be taken on board ? Two pages, two jokes. Enough time wasted. Sure you're kidding. Airmano Edited by airmano - 02 September 2017 at 3:20am |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Evidence For Creationism:
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html |
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Please take the time to read this first post.
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We're not sinners because we sin; we sin because we are sinners. Adam introduced sin in the world. It is like gravity, everything is subject to the gravitational pull of sin. The only way a plane can ride above the force of gravity is with thrust and lift. Jesus is the only one that can set us free from the gravitational pull of sin. Edited by Saved - 19 March 2017 at 12:07pm |
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