Question of importance

Ron Webb wrote: No, not all atheists are humanists.  Unfortunately.

And not all religious people believe in killing in the name of their religion.  What a coincidence! 

Ron Webb wrote: As I keep telling you, there are good and bad people in every group.  Atheism is no exception.  However, none of the mass murderers you mentioned committed their crimes because of, or in the name of, atheism.  That's the difference.  We have no ideology that tells us to kill believers wherever we find them.

Your fake attempts to tell people what the Quran says are not going to fool anyone.  Your reference to Surah Tawba only further proves how *****ic and ignorant your are. 

As far as atheists like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, they were all influenced by Karl Marx and the "Communist Manifesto", which among other things, declared religion to be part of the problem.  Therefore, it was part of their ideology to be anti-religion, and which drove their pogroms against religious people.  For example, Pol Pot persecuted any group which was a "detriment" to the "party", and he included religious groups in that list.  According to Cory Campbell of the "Haing S. Ngor Foundation":

"Pol Pot knew what he was doing all along, playing quite the contrary to his later claims of ignorance regarding the killings and suffering.  The Constitution of Democratic Kampuchea declared freedom of religion in the state, with the exception of any form of worship 'detrimental' to the party.   Without clearly defining what classifies a religion  as being 'detrimental', Pol Pot was able to use this constitutional clause to justify the purge of religions such as Buddhism and Islam." (http://www.haingngorfoundation.org/_documents/BetweenTheLinesOfThePolPotRegime.pdf)

Ron Webb wrote: Yes, they were partly influenced by Marx, who saw religion as part of the problem.  Therefore religion was part of a part of their ideology.  It was by no means the main focus.  Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were communists primarily engaged in a class struggle, not a religious one.  As I said earlier, none of them committed their crimes because of, or in the name of, atheism. Be afraid of communism if you want, but not atheism.  Most atheists are not communist.  I'm certainly not.

What a load of crock!  Each of these tyrants went out of his way to "purge" anyone who was seen as a "detriment" to the "revolution".  Among these were people with religious beliefs.  Anyone who refused to abandon his religious beliefs was either imprisoned or killed.  This was all in the name of atheism. 

Ron Webb wrote: Seriously?  Seriously? Now you're citing a term paper from an undergrad college student as your "source"? "EDITOR�S NOTE: Cory Campbell is a 21 year old history major in his first semester at Cal State Long Beach. He spent three years prior to this at Cypress College. Cory wrote this paper for a Methodology of History course (HIST 301, Fall 2007)." It's especially amusing that Mr. Campbell spent three years at Cypress College, which describes itself as a two year college.  Sounds like a real honours student!

  

Really, Ron?  I mean, really?  You can't refute the claims of someone, so you attack their credentials?  Brilliant! 

If a foundation founded by a survivor of the Cambodian genocide felt that this paper written by an "undergrad college student" is factually accurate, then who cares what some atheist clown thinks? 

Of course, a biased nincompoop such as yourself simply rejected the claims of this "undergrad" without bothering to even check if the paper's claims are accurate.  How very objective of you!  One way to check the paper's accuracy is to check the sources used by the author.  For example, in his statement about Pol Pot and the purging of religion, Campbell cited the work of "award-winning journalist Elizabeth Becker" (http://www.amazon.com/When-The-War-Was-Over/dp/1891620002). 

For shame, Ron!  Hang your head in shame!

But if that is not enough for you, let me quote another author.  Harry Callahan writes in "The Dawkins' Delusion" (a delusion which you are definitely suffering from ):

"Pol Pot, the leader of the Marxist regime in Cambodia, Kampuchea, in the 1970s killed 1.7 million of his own people.  In fact, the Pol Pot regime specifically preached atheism and sought to exterminate all religious expression in Cambodia." ("The Dawkins' Delusion, p. 161)

So, anyone not blinded by atheistic propaganda knows that it is a fact of history that millions have been killed in the name of atheism.  Atheistic apologist clowns like yourself can try to rewrite history, but you will ultimately fail and be exposed for the lying filth that you are...


Edited by islamispeace - 17 August 2014 at 12:10pm

Ron Webb wrote: You just said it yourself: the goal was to purge anyone who was a detriment to the (communist) revolution.  Various religious, ethnic, regional and social groups opposed them, so they purged them.  But the goal had nothing to do with religion.  It was done in the name of communism, not atheism.

And the "revolutionaries" preached atheism.  Hence, religion was a threat to them and so they proceeded to kill millions as a result.  So much for "humanism".

Ron Webb wrote: I didn't reject the claim.  I just ignored it because it doesn't address my point.  See above.

You "ignored" it based on nothing except a childish claim against the credentials of the author.  Your "point" was refuted, yet instead of offering an intelligent response, you tried to weasel your way out by ignoring the argument and attacking the author. 

As I said, who cares what some atheist clown thinks?

Ron Webb wrote: So now we've moved on from student term papers to self-published "vanity" books from unknown authors?  Do you have any idea who Harry Callahan is, or what his credentials are?  For that matter, do you have any idea what constitutes a credible source?

So again, no intelligent response, just an attack on the credentials of the author.  Very impressive! 

We have already seen that the Pol Pot regime aggressively promoted and preaches atheism and violently killed anyone who opposed it, especially people with religious beliefs. 

The lie that atheist clowns promote has been proven wrong through an honest analysis of history.  I guess atheists can be just as delusional as anyone else!


Edited by islamispeace - 18 August 2014 at 9:07pm

Ron Webb wrote: An excellent question.  It's a lot like the question I am asking about Cory Campbell and Harry Callahan.

I bet you would, because after all, you are just an atheist clown!  You have yet to offer a substantive rebuttal to the sources I have mentioned.  All you have been able to do is to attack their credentials, as if you have any authority on the matter.   

The fact remains that Campbell's article was published by an organization founded by a survivor of the Cambodian genocide, who experienced first-hand the brutality of the Pol Pot regime.

Ron Webb wrote: Not "especially" people with religious beliefs.  That among many other things: "The Khmer Rouge, in their attempt to socially engineer a classless peasant society, took particular aim at intellectuals, city residents, ethnic Vietnamese, civil servants and religious leaders."  http://www.history.com/topics/pol-pot Interestingly, your own "source", Cory Campbell, quotes the Khmer Rouge's attitude toward religion, according to the Kampuchean Constitution: "Article 20: Every citizen of Kampuchea has the right to worship according to any religion and the right not to worship according to any religion.  Reactionary religions which are detrimental to Democratic Kampuchea and Kampuchean people are absolutely forbidden." So, Pol Pot forbade any religion that opposed his regime -- which, as it turned out, was probably most/all of them, but only because they opposed communism.  Communism, not atheism, was the goal.

Oh what a coincidence!  Pol Pot just happens to preach atheism.  And it just so happened that "most/all" religions "turned out" to "oppose his regime".  Finally, it just so happened that Pol Pot proceeded to wipe out (or tried to) all religious practice.  Mighty convenient, don't you think? 

Communism and atheism go hand in hand.  It's no surprise that every Communist "revolution" has attempted, one way or another, to "purge" religion and kill millions in the process.