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Caringheart wrote: Abu Loren wrote:   It is not our fault that you don't have the intelligence to understand the answers that we give. All from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Greetings Abu Loren, I must say... you complain that others have not done their research regarding islam... yet most of us have come here after reading qur'an. You say that they do not learn... what about yourself?  Why haven't you done the proper research? I can say; Why haven't you learned? Do you lack the intelligence to understand? Have you read the Christian scriptures? Have you read the qur'an? Salaam, Caringheart

Nice post, Caringheart. I would encourage you to read not only the Quran, but also the hadiths and the tafsirs. They help provide a better understanding of what Islam teaches. I am certainly glad that I read them.

The Quran
www.quran.com

The Quran and hadiths Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud
http://searchtruth.com/

Tafsirs Al Jalalayn and Ibn Abbas, as well as some others
http://altafsir.com/

Tafsir Ibn Qathir
http://qtafsir.com/

TG12345 wrote: Salaam Alaikum.God created me, and only He deserves praise and thanks and worship. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.The Quran tells you that Jesus is not God, and that He was not crucified. Its author claims to be God, but He clearly had no idea about creation. He falsely stated that the Thamud carved buildings out of rock at Al Hijr when we know it was the Nabataeans, and he also claimed that there is a barrier between fresh and salt water that prevents them from transgressing... when we know that no such barrier exists. He also claimed that he told bees to eat of all the fruit, when we know that there are fruit that bees cannot access or that kill them.Consider these things. Does God make mistakes?To accept the idea that the Quran is dictated by God, you need to believe in a God who is unaware of His own creation. My God is all-knowing and does not make mistakes. Although there are many good and wise things in the Quran, it is not from Him.

Abu Loren wrote: You have now gone beyond st**idity. Ever since you've joined this forum we have given you all the answers to al of your questions.

Really?

Then explain why the Quran claims that, between bodies of water that meet, there is a barrier that they do not transgress- when we know that is not the case in any part of the world.

Explain why the Quran states that in both of these bodies of water there is coral- when coral exists only in salt water, and waters of the same salinity mix even more freely than waters of different salinities.

Explain why the only buildings carved out of mountains at Al Hijr are those that were made by the Nabataeans between 100 BC and AD 100- when the Quran states that the Thamud were the ones who did so before the time of Moses.

Explain why the Quran's author told bees to eat from all the fruits- when there are fruit that kill bees, and other fruit that they are unable to have access to.

Explain why, according to the hadiths, Muhammad put all of the world's peoples and nations into categories on the Day of Resurrection- stone/idol/false god/cross worshipers, Ezra worshipers, Christians, Muslims- when we know that excludes millions of monotheists like Jews, who fall into none of these categories.

You have not given any answers to these questions, or at least, any answers that are not false. By false I don't mean answers I disagree with. By false, I mean answers that contradict obvious facts.

You have provided a lot, however, in the area of insults and swearing. You use more profanity on this forum than anyone else I have debated with.

Abu Loren wrote:  It is not our fault that you don't have the intelligence to understand the answers that we give.

I understood very well the answers that you have given. I understood them and have responded to them, and shown you where they are wrong. Not based on my opinion, or even on what the Bible states, but on research and facts, backed by sources.
 

Abu Loren wrote: All from the Qur'an

Which contains mistakes and errors that shows it is not from God.

Abu Loren wrote: and Sunnah.

What answers have you provided from the Sunnah? Please show me one example where you personally did that.


Edited by TG12345 - 23 February 2014 at 9:44am

TG12345 wrote: Salaam Alaikum.God created me, and only He deserves praise and thanks and worship. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.The Quran tells you that Jesus is not God, and that He was not crucified. Its author claims to be God, but He clearly had no idea about creation. He falsely stated that the Thamud carved buildings out of rock at Al Hijr when we know it was the Nabataeans, and he also claimed that there is a barrier between fresh and salt water that prevents them from transgressing... when we know that no such barrier exists. He also claimed that he told bees to eat of all the fruit, when we know that there are fruit that bees cannot access or that kill them.Consider these things. Does God make mistakes?To accept the idea that the Quran is dictated by God, you need to believe in a God who is unaware of His own creation. My God is all-knowing and does not make mistakes. Although there are many good and wise things in the Quran, it is not from Him.

You have now gone beyond st**idity. Ever since you've joined this forum we have given you all the answers to al of your questions. It is not our fault that you don't have the intelligence to understand the answers that we give. All from the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Abu Loren wrote: TG12345 wrote: Abu Loren,Salaam Alaikum. It may be a good idea stop our debate where it is. I have made my points, and you have made yours. You have not been able to refute any of the points I have made, either about the story of the Thamud, or Muhammad's teaching on the Day of Resurrection.Continue to follow your religion if you wish. I have respect for you for being so outspoken about your faith, even if I believe it is wrong. I pray that one day you will come to Christ, so you can experience eternal life with Him in Heaven. Take care,TG12345 If you accept that God created you and only He deserves praise and thanks then worship Him rather than His creation. Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) is a creation of God Almighty, so in reality you are worshipping a creation of God rather than God Himself. Think about it.

Salaam Alaikum.

God created me, and only He deserves praise and thanks and worship. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

The Quran tells you that Jesus is not God, and that He was not crucified.

Its author claims to be God, but He clearly had no idea about creation. He falsely stated that the Thamud carved buildings out of rock at Al Hijr when we know it was the Nabataeans, and he also claimed that there is a barrier between fresh and salt water that prevents them from transgressing... when we know that no such barrier exists. He also claimed that he told bees to eat of all the fruit, when we know that there are fruit that bees cannot access or that kill them.

Consider these things. Does God make mistakes?

To accept the idea that the Quran is dictated by God, you need to believe in a God who is unaware of His own creation. My God is all-knowing and does not make mistakes. Although there are many good and wise things in the Quran, it is not from Him.