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    Posted: 22 October 2005 at 2:19pm
I have one question regarding the farz of gusul, I have one problem that whenever I talked with girl I used to release semen(transparant liquid) in small amount, could anyone please let me know in the light of Islamic rules whether I will have to go for gusul or only wudhu.
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The prophet is reported to have said:

"He who has no shame, let him do as he wish."

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It happens not by my wish it does even I dont want to happen it is some sort of illness.
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Originally posted by Community Community wrote:

I got something from Islamic website about my problem that is highlited in bold, in my case it is 'madih', and it does not come intentionally it is out of my control I forcely try to keep out of it but sometimes could'nt, pray for me as well:

DESCRIPTION OF WUDU   (ABLUTION)

1 : Wudu is breached if anything comes out of urinal passage or anus; such as urine, 'Mazi' (minor involuntary seminal discharge), semen, glutinuous liquid, worm or stone from bladder and profusion of rectum or wind---- however small in quantity they might be.

 2 : Wudu is not breached of one fears passing of urine and keeps piece of cotton at the catheter or at the opening of the private part, then is no harm, and in such a case Wudu is not breaches until urine appears on the surface of cotton.

 3 : Wudu is breached if on being touched by the opposite sex of just out of thinking, liquid comes out of vagina of a women, and the liquid that comes out of sexual passion is called 'Mazi'.

4 : Sticky water that comes out of vagina of a women in unclean and causes breach of Wudu. Though a few Muslim theologians go against this, but however, caution should be maintained.

5 : If a drop of urine or 'Mizi" (minor involuntary seminal discharge) comes out of the urinary organ out remains within the covering skin of the organ, even then the Wudu is breached. Its coming out of the covering skin is not necessary for the breach of Wudu.

6 : If an man's organ touches a women's private part and no cloth etc. intervenes, then Wudu is breached. similarly if two women join their private parts, Wudu is breached. But such an act is bad and sinful. In  both cases, whether anything comes out ar not, the same rule will apply.

7 : If some part of the anus comes out then Wudu is breached, whether is goes back of its own or is pushed back with the help of some stick, act.

8 : Both 'Mazi' and 'Wadi' cause breached of Wudu. Thick dust-Coloured water which comes out after urina-nation is called 'Wadi"

9 : If after making Wudu, nail are clipped or bead skin of wound is scratched, then Wudu is not breached nor it is necessary to reach water again to those spots.

10: If after making Wudu one touches one's private part, then Wudu is not breached--- whether the person is male or female.

RULES REGARDING BATH

1 : During bath it is obligatory for a woman to pass water into the outer skin of vagina, otherwise bath will remain invalid. In the same way if a man has not been circumcised, then water should be passed into the skin which is not cut of during circumcision.

2 : Whether asleep or awake, if semen is discharged with excitement, bath becomes necessary no matter whether the person is man or women.

3 :if upon awakening, semen is found on clothes or the body, then also bath becomes necessary, whether there had been a wet dream or not.

Warning : In exuberance of youth, the liquid which comes out of excitement and which enhance excitement instead of cooling it, is called madih; and that which comes out after full enjoyment is called 'semen'. Moreover, 'medhi' is thinner, while semen is thicker. So only passing of the 'madhi' does not make bath necessary but Wudu is certainly breached.

4 : If the top of the male organ (penis) enters vagina and becomes invisible, bath becomes necessary for bath, whether semen is discharged or not, Insertion of penis into back organ also makes bath necessary. But it is a major sin to do so in the back organ.

5 : If the top of the male organ has undergone incision, the organ up to the length of the top makes bath necessary, whether semen is discharged or not.

6 : If the male organ is inserted into the private part of an animal or a dead person or a minor girl who is not fit for sexual intercourse. then bath will not be necessary without discharge of semen.

7 : The blood which comes out of the vagina of a women every month, is called 'Menses' . When menses stops, bath becomes obligatory. The blood which comes out after child-birth is called 'Nifas'. When it (nifas) stops, then also bath becomes obligatory. In short, four cases make bath bath obligatory (1) Seminal discharge whit excitement  (2) Insertion of the top of the male organ and when  (3) menses and (4) nifas (after birth discharge) stop.

8 : If a man undulges in sexual intercourse with a minor girl who has not yet attained her puberty, bath is not necessary for her, but in order to make her used to take bath, such may be made to take bath.

9 : If during sleep, a woman drams of having sexual intercourse with a man or a man dreamt of heaving sexual intercourse with woman an also had a taste of it, but on waking up found no seminal discharge, then bath is not necessary. But in case if seminal discharge, bath becomes compulsory. Moreover, if (on waking up), one finds his or her clothes of body a little wet, but thinks it to be ' Madhi' and not semen, then also bath is compulsory whether man or women.

10: If after bath, semen of the husband comes out of the vagina of the woman, the bath remains valid; repetition of bath is not necessary.

11: If after a little seminal discharge, a woman takes bath but after taking bath, a little more semen comes out, then repetition of bath is compulsory. It should be considered at this point that if semen is discharged with excitement and in such a case some quantity of the semen comes out and rest remains inside and comes after birth, only then repetition of bath becomes compulsory. But if after taking bath, fresh semen comes out without excitement, then repetition of bath is not compulsory. This is the rule for the compulsory repetition of bath but since it is difficult to know that the semen coming out without excitement is former or fresh, so the Muslim Jurists taking recourse to their authority has decided that the semen which comes out before walking forty or fifty steps of before sleeping and before passing urine, belongs to former state and so one should repeat the bath; but if semen comes out after a lot of walking or after sleeping or after passing urine without any excitement, then the semen is fresh, and if it comes out again, repetition of bath is not compulsory,

12: If on account of some illness of loadings or falling form a raised spot, semen comes out without excitement, then the semen is fresh and so repetition of bath is not compulsory but Wudu (ablution) will certainly become invalid.

13: If husband and wife were sleeping on the same bad and on waking up found certain stains of semen on clothes but neither of them remembers to have a wet-dream, precaution demands that bath should take a bath because nobody knows as to whose semen is this.

14: If a non-believer accepts Islam, then it is desirable for him or her to take a bath. But if during the state of infidelity her or she had made bath obligatory from him or her and had not taken a bath or had taken a bath but not according to religious code, then the bath is obligatory for him or her.

15: One who gives bath to a dead body, it is desirable for him to take a bath.

16: If One, for whom bath has become compulsory, wants to eat and drink something before taking a bath, then her or she should first wash his or her hands and mouth and rinse the mouth. If one eats or drinks without doing so, her or she is not supposed to have committed any sin.

17: One who needs a bath, is forbidden form touching or reciting the Holy Qur'an or entering a mosque.

18: If the semen is discharged with excitement but the person stops its release by putting finger etc. on the hole and the semen come out when excitement is over, then also bath becomes obligatory.

19: If any man's circumcision has not been done and his semen comes out but sticks in the superfluous skin which is cut-off in circumcision, then bath will become obligatory for him.

20: If a man has undergone castration and he enters the to of his penis onto the vagina of a women, then also bath will become obligatory for bath of them.

21: If anyone is suffering from spermation and semen continues to come out, bath is not obligatory for him. But if the sufferer has a seminal discharge with excitement, then bath will become obligatory.

22: If a man enters his penis onto the navel or thigh of a women or man and semen is not discharged, then bath will not be obligatory.

23: If a man or a women has a wet dream, but on waking up has no trace of wetness or semen, then bath is not compulsory, even if there was taste of discharge in dream.

24: If a women puts medicine in her vagina or makes anybody else to do so, bath is not obligatory for her.

25: One who needs a bath, touching of the Holy Qur'an or reciting it or entering a Mosque is not forbidden for him; but reciting of Allah's name and 'Kalimah" (words of Allah) and Darood (Blessing upon the Holy Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wa Sallam) is valid and other such 'rules' will Insha-Allah (Allah willing) be described in the chapter on 'Menses".

26: To touch Books of Commentaries (on the Holy Qur'an) with out Wudu is disapproved; and to touch the Holy Qur'an with translation is quite prohibited.

27: If anyone has slept on such a bad which had semen in dried from and the bed became wet due to this or her sweat, then if the wet bed does not leave any trace on his or her body, her or she is not unclean.

28: After passing urine or stool, Istinja ( cleaning the private parts after natural evacuation) with clod of earth is enough, provided the pollution is not spread to the sides of the organ. If it has spread to the sides of the organ, it is essential to clean it with water as well; and if the pollution has spread up to one 'dirham' (small silver coin) Istinja is compulsory.

29: The method of performing Istinja after passing urine is the one should hold his penis with the left hand and take clod of earth in his right hand and make it dry till the period one is quite satisfied that drops of urine were no longer to come out; and according to some others, one should perform Istinja by walking a few steps or by wrapping his right with left leg so that any drop. if left stuck, should come out. In short, if one is satisfied that the pollution inside the hole has come out, Istinga becomes proper. After this, cleaning also with water is better. If urine has spread over the top of the penis, it is compulsory to get it washed.

30: If after passing urine, One performed 'Istinja' with cold of earth, and not with water and while making Wudu one did not remember to perform 'Istinja' with water and did remember after making Wudu that he had not performed 'Istinja' with water then he should perform 'Istinha' with water as and when he recalls it. In case, one recalls during prayer that he has not performed 'Istinja' with water, and if he thinks that pollution over the top of the penis was not up to the size of a 'Dirham', then he should offer prayer and that prayer will be quite valid. But if he is sure that the pollution was spread over the top of the penis, then he should perform 'Istinja' after breaking his prayers. Similarly, if one recollects after offering prayer that he had not performed 'Istinja' with water, then, if he is sure that the pollution had spread about the size of one 'Dirham' then he should again perform. 'Isitnja' and repeat his prayer. But if he is sour that what to speak of a 'Dirham' the pollution would have hardly spread upto the size of a grain of rice or two, repetition of prayer is not at all necessary.

31: A women suffering from 'Istehazh' (prolonged morbid menstruation) should compulsorily perform 'Istinja' for every prayer.

32: If someone suffers form Bright's disease (liquid coming from the private part of body), then the person should perform 'Istanja' at the time of offering every prayer and washing of the portion of the clothes which is supposed to be affected from the 'drops' is compulsory of that 'tahband' ( sheet meant to cover lower part of the body) or trousers should be changed.

33: Of anybody's left hand is crippled or cut off and there is none to pour water, then 'Istinja' with water is not necessary, only clod of earth s enough; and is he has control over the running water, he should perform 'Istinja' with the right hand.

34: If a patient has no wife or mid-servant and has a son or brother, then in case of his being unable to perform 'Wudu' then he can perform Wudu with the help of his son or brother. But 'Istinja' cane not be performed with the help of others, because none else can touch the penis of others. So 'Istinja' will become null and void for him. In the same way, if a female patient has no husband, her daughter of sister can help her perform 'Wudu', but they also should not help in performing 'Istinja' because they cane not touch private part. So 'Istinja' in null and void for that woman as well.

35: It is disapproved to pass urine in standing position or lying state or after being naked. If there is no way out, there is no harm.

The prophet is reported to have said:

"He who has no shame, let him do as he wish."

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Originally posted by Community Community wrote:

The prophet�is reported to have�said:


"He who has no shame, let him do as he wish."



just answer his question
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Clean yourself clean, and clean yourself is my answer.
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Clean yourself clean, and clean yourself�is my answer.


ok .. tahnx.. i was a bit confused
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Dear Mohammad,

Assalamu Alaykum ,

wat you release is not semen, it seems that it is : wat we call " informal" pre-cum " -madih- and it's normal and does not indicate any illness;so, it's not ejaculation" and you don't have to do ghusul, all you have to do is: wash the place of the liquid " the all organ" and that is it, thereafter if u want to pray wat you have to do it SIMPLY the normal wadu.

Allah knows better

your brother Yasir



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