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iec786
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Hi Placid,
Jesus said i Matthew 5:17 New International Version (NIV) The Fulfillment of the Law 17 �Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. CIRCUMCISION : A perpetual pact with God - (a) "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money (your slaves), MUST needs be circumcised: and my convenant shall be in your flesh for an EVERLASTING convenant." GENESIS 17:13 (b) The uncircumcised to be "CUT OFF" (to be killed). GENESIS 17:14 I will leave you to answer. |
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Hi Placid, Was Jesus circumcised in the heat or by his genitals?????this bovine excrement that circumcision of the heat nonsense is from Paul What did Jesus do he was circumcised on the 8th day physically not spiritually. Abraham was circumcised how??????? Please stop giving us hogwash. |
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Greetings Ismail,
Your are overlooking the fact that God said He was going to do a new thing, 19 Behold,
I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? (as spoken through the prophet Isaiah) Yahshua is the fulfillment of the law. You must know all of what Yahshua taught, and all of that which went before Him. The old testament has the hidden message of the new covenant that is to come, and that new covenant is Yahshua, and that He is the way to salvation, to the Creator... the new covenant(Yahshua) reveals the hidden message of the old testament. Salaam and blessings, Caringheart |
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Caringheart, God said kill all those that were uncircumcised that was his covenant,Jesus followed that covenant,The storey of a new covenant by an self induced apostle writer of his own whims and fancies then claim he is an apostle,this person who caught you with lies gives you a new covenant???Not God. |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Ismail, I am confused by your reply, but I believe it is saying that you reject the new covenant, and if so, this is not a wise or rightly guided thing. Salaam, Caringheart Peter was the one called by Yahshua Himself to be the foundation of God's new church... His new covenant... and it was Peter, with the authority of God who gave the command regarding the gentiles and circumcision... there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.Blessings to you Ismail, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 07 December 2013 at 4:52pm |
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Greetings Caringheart,
I have a problem with your writings: "That new thing is the new covenant sent through Yahshua(known to us as Jesus). Yahshua is the fulfillment of the law." Here you are saying that Yahshua and Jesus are same person? How that can be when your next post you wrote: "16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Here Christ and Living God are addressed as two persons. Further in the same post you quoted: " 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." So, here Jesus/Christ is saying he did not reveal it to, Peter or whoever, rather "my Father" clearly pointing to a different entity. How you can mix them up to be one is out of any sense, any truth. Hasan |
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Was Jesus circumcised???? was Moses circumcised???? was Abraham circumcised???? was Paul circumcised???? remember he was a Jew. If your answer is yes to the above then all Christians will have to be circumcised at the private part and not the heart. iec |
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Greetings iec, I really do not believe it will matter to the Creator if man is circumcised in the flesh or not. I believe the command is given for the purposes of hygiene and protection, as are most of the laws in the old testament. i.e., I think the same is the reason for the prohibition of pork... or the eating of meat from the animal with a cloven hoof. We have since learned through science how deadly pork can be. and the washing also, is it not for our protection? Salaam, Caringheart |
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