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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2014 at 9:03pm
Please drop your pretense at seeking an explanation. What I have said about you is simply an applicable conclusion based on your own statements. You allow your hate for Islam and Muslims to cause you to be intellectually dishonest.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2014 at 8:07pm
Really, abuayisha, what is the point in posting something like that?  If you think there is some context I am missing, then please explain what it is.  Otherwise, ad hominems only undermine your own credibility.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2014 at 2:42pm
Theology must be understood in context, however given your feigned ignorance of contextual relevance, which has been explained on these boards many times, along with how you ended your comment about our Holy Book, indeed you and your ilk are very careless and vile.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2014 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

As far as I know, Islam is the only religion that forbids friendship, ever, with anyone.

This is the type of irresponsible, and reckless islamophobia that only serves to polarize and fuel hatred. These are difficult times we are all living in and rhetoric has consequences.  

I added back my qualifying phrase "as far as I know", which you dropped in quoting me.  Without that, my statement is much more polarizing and reckless than I intended it.  Yes, rhetoric has consequences -- but so do misquotes.

Abu Loren says that Islam forbids friendship between girls and boys.  I wasn't aware of that, and I invite him to show evidence for that claim.  However, it doesn't surprise me much, because the Quran repeatedly forbids Muslims to have non-Muslim friends.  Just a few of many examples:
  • 3:118  "O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you."
  • 60:13  "O ye who believe! Be not friendly with a folk with whom Allah is wroth, (a folk) who have despaired of the Hereafter as the disbelievers despair of those who are in the graves."
  • 5:80  "Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them : that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide."
  • 9:23  "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong doers."
  • 4:144  "O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?"
Now, it's quite possible that other religions have similar prohibitions, which is why I said "as far as I know"; but I haven't heard of them.  I welcome anyone who can offer examples.

It's also quite possible that Muslims have ways of twisting the (IMHO) very clear xenophobic message of the Quran into something more ecumenical.  I'd like to hear about that too.

But please don't accuse me of fueling hatred and polarization, merely for pointing out the many polarizing and hate-filled statements in the Quran itself.

Edited by Ron Webb - 22 June 2014 at 2:16pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Caringheart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2014 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Islam is the only religion that forbids friendship, ever, with anyone.


This is the type of irresponsible, and reckless islamophobia that only serves to polarize and fuel hatred. These are difficult times we are all living in and rhetoric has consequences.   

Gretings abuayisha,

I agree that we are living in precarious times, but, Ron's statement....
is it rhetoric, or is it truth?
Because the way I see it, until we all can embrace the day of extending friendship to all, evaluating each on his own merits and with equal treatment, the times will remain dangerous.  If there is an ideology that says you must not be friends with this group, or that group, we will never find the true path... the path that leads to peace among humanity and preservation of the creation.  We must find the way that brings friendship on earth, rather than distrust.

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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Islam is the only religion that forbids friendship, ever, with anyone.


This is the type of irresponsible, and reckless islamophobia that only serves to polarize and fuel hatred. These are difficult times we are all living in and rhetoric has consequences.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2014 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Little boy don't make comments in matters that you don't understand. Friendship between a boy and a girl is haram no matter what the religion is.


Abu Loren, you too might well be advised not to make comments in matters you don't understand.  As far as I know, Islam is the only religion that forbids friendship, ever, with anyone.  Certainly Christianity would not have any objection to boys and girls being friends.

In this particular situation I agree that nak03 should be cautious, because this girl is talking about "love" and he clearly doesn't feel that way.  I would advise him that he should look upon their relationship as an opportunity to be a good influence on her (it sounds like she needs it), while being careful that she is not a bad influence on him.
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Wow, osamahk,

I started out having some respect and consideration for you, but after these posts...  you have lost it. 
You probably won't care... but you could get back some respect and consideration if you did.

I wish you peace and I hope you find it.
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