The Ishmael Complex

You are right,that is why Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala reminds us and gives us the correct account of things.

How did the old testament become wrong? Why would it be? Is that the only place it is wrong? There is no evidence of it being wrong other places (or there for that matter).

And to just quote the Quran is not enough. You have no other confirmation. This is not enough evidence. There is no evidence the Quran is correct- if it says it is, and you believe it, then that is circular logic. You need some other evidence to confirm it, and the bible has stood for centuries as accurate and there is much to confirm it. I'm afraid the bible account is considered accurate by me until you can find something reliable that refutes it.   

Empiricist wrote: How did the old testament become wrong? Why would it be? Is that the only place it is wrong? There is no evidence of it being wrong other places (or there for that matter).

it didn't necessarily became wrong but the Jewish scribes added and deleted from the text of the scriptures, hence it became a different message than the one God Almighty sent down.

Empiricist wrote: And to just quote the Quran is not enough. You have no other confirmation. This is not enough evidence. There is no evidence the Quran is correct- if it says it is, and you believe it, then that is circular logic. You need some other evidence to confirm it, and the bible has stood for centuries as accurate and there is much to confirm it. I'm afraid the bible account is considered accurate by me until you can find something reliable that refutes it.

Well as believers we think it is enough because we believe it to be the verbatim Word of God Almighty. Now that may not be a good answer to you but then tough.

Actually the Qur'an corrects the mistakes that are found in the Bible.

Empiricist wrote: There were several versions of the Quran, over 50, and nobody memorized exactly what Mohammed said, or there would not be 50 versions. How many years after Mohammed died was the Quran written do you think? You should really go back to the Christian times before Mohammed. This history explains the emergence of many religions which Islam spawned from. And it is sad that the ancient Christian churches in Syria are being destroyed. The evidence is being destroyed. Also Aramaic was originally used for much of the Quran, not Arabic. When Aramic is used, the meaning of some of the text makes much more sense. The part about the virgins in heaven- those are not Virgins but rather fresh juicy grapes in Aramaic. This was the real meaning. You don't get rewarded for killing others either. There was much revised and distorted that Mohammed did not even utter. It was done for political reasons just as today.   People do not change. Some people want power and money any way they can get it and will sell their soul to get it. There are many hypocrites in any religion.

I love it when Christian apologists jump on the latest trends in orientalist attacks on Islam and blindly accept them as fact.  Maybe if you had done some actual "empirical" research, meaning free of any bias (which you obviously have), you would not refer to the work of Christoph Luxenberg, whose claims have largely been refuted by scholars like Angelika Neuwirth and Waled Saleh.  Interested parties can refer to the following review by Neuwirth of Luxenberg's book:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/luxreview1.html

For Waled Saleh's critique of Luxenberg, you can read "The Quran in Context: Historical and Literary Investigations into the Quranic Milieu", pp. 670-693.

Now, let me comment on the irony of a Christian attacking the Quran, while simultaneously believing in a book known as the Bible, which the last time I checked, has quite a checkered history (at least, that would be the conclusion of any "empirical" analysis).  Since this thread is about the "Ishmael Complex", let us look at that Biblical story as an example of the Bible's less than reputable and trustworthy status.  In the following article, I discussed the contradictions and inconsistencies of the Biblical story of Isaac and Ishmael:

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/01/ishmael-and-isaac-in-quran-and-bible.html

Furthermore, in subsequent articles, I responded to the arguments of another Christian apologist who attempted to respond to my original article:

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/02/response-to-christian-about-biblical.html

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/02/response-to-christian-about-biblical_17.html

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/02/response-to-christian-about-biblical_19.html

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/02/response-to-christian-about-biblical_25.html

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/02/response-to-christian-about-biblical_27.html

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/03/response-to-christian-about-biblical.html

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/03/response-to-christian-about-biblical_9.html

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/03/response-to-christian-about-biblical_15.html

I realize that this is a lot of reading, but that is the point.  It takes serious and time-consuming research to ascertain the facts, not selective research blinded by academic bias.   

Based on serious research, I have come to the following conclusion, to borrow "Empiricist's" words (with slight modifications:

Christianity is simply a fraud. It can be nothing else.