The Ishmael Complex

How did Uthman know what the Prophet authorized? He had been dead for many years and had no part in the writing of it, and could not read. Historians looking for evidence of Mohammed existing have not been able to find it from the local history as reported in the Quran. See book "What the Modern Martyr Should Know: Seventy-Two Grapes and Not a Single Virgin: The New Picture of Islam" translated from German. Islam should withstand analysis by independent analysts. The book Rational Conclusions about biblical accuracy is by an Engineer and former atheist, and finds no indication of any significant inaccuracies in the Bible. The Quran Dilemma shows many problems with the Quran. There is no way it can be the word of God or Gabriel or any spirit. It is a collection of the other writings, modified to suit the group of writer's political and personal agendas. (Multiple wives, OK to rape and kill infidels, wives only 12 years old, all the rules to follow, etc.- a major difference from what Jesus taught. Islam simply cannot be anything holy and is by and for man, and not of very good character. Pride is a sin yet it is everywhere in Islam. Honor killings. Killing those who deface a Quran. (this makes it an Idol, does it not? Yet it can be reprinted $1 a dozen. Who cares if it gets burned??? FOOLISH PRIDE!). Deception and lies to further Islam are encouraged. Nobody should trust a Muslim because you never know if they are telling truth. Why should they?

Islam was created based on other groups that also denied the holiness of Jesus, including the Arians.

The truth (or I should say false) of Islam is coming to light. Just a matter of time. Islam is a false ideology for the masses to control them and create a common enemy to keep them united. Yet the Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other- is that peaceful? Why do the Muslims turn to Sharia law in other countries and become belligerent when their population gets large? They just want to make everything Islam and take whatever they can take. They act nice until that time comes. It is all fraud and deception. Deception is synonymous with EVIL and Satan. Maybe it was Satan, not Gabriel? How would anyone know for sure if they were just writing what they thought Muhammad said? And they never put their name to what they wrote either in the Quran. How do you know who wrote what? There were many disagreements before the final version, which was forced on others under threat. At least in the Bible the authors are revealed.
Islam is simply a fraud. It can be nothing else.

Empiricist wrote: How did Uthman know what the Prophet authorized? He had been dead for many years and had no part in the writing of it, and could not read.

I don't mean to offend but this shows your ignorance.

First of all, the Qur'an was memorised wholly by his companions and they diligently checked each other to see what they were reciting were all the same. This is the miracle that you people deny. The Qur'an was sent to an unlettered Prophet and it was through recitation that it was copied onto book form. Indeed the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) could not read.

Empiricist wrote: Historians looking for evidence of Mohammed existing have not been able to find it from the local history as reported in the Quran.

It makes one wonders where they were looking.

Empiricist wrote:    The Quran Dilemma shows many problems with the Quran. There is no way it can be the word of God or Gabriel or any spirit. It is a collection of the other writings, modified to suit the group of writer's political and personal agendas. (Multiple wives, OK to rape and kill infidels, wives only 12 years old, all the rules to follow, etc.- a major difference from what Jesus taught. Islam simply cannot be anything holy and is by and for man, and not of very good character. Pride is a sin yet it is everywhere in Islam. Honor killings. Killing those who deface a Quran. (this makes it an Idol, does it not? Yet it can be reprinted $1 a dozen. Who cares if it gets burned??? FOOLISH PRIDE!). Deception and lies to further Islam are encouraged. Nobody should trust a Muslim because you never know if they are telling truth. Why should they?

These are just your opinions and you can keep them :)

Empiricist wrote: Islam is simply a fraud. It can be nothing else.

This is exactly what a person without any guidance, knowledge or wisdom would say.

I have written an article on my blog, dealing with the story of Ishmael and Isaac (pbut).  In it, I show that the Biblical story is self-contradictory and cannot be reasonably accepted as the truth. 

http://quranandbible.blogspot.com/2014/01/ishmael-and-isaac-in-quran-and-bible.html

Caringheart wrote: I am curious, doesn't anyone ever ask themselves... if the story of Ishmael is correct as muslims believe it, then why is there no record prior to the coming of Muhammad, of Ishmael and Abraham in the lands of Arabia?Certainly no one claimed to know of this history before Muhammad came.No one spoke of an Ishmael connection, or an Abraham connection, and certainly someone before Muhammad would have known something about the building of the Ka'abba and whether or not it was connected with the two.Salaam,Caringheart

Curiosity killed the cat!:P

The story of Ishmael is correct because we have it from God and not from a human being, therefore it is without errors.

First of all when Ishmael and his mother Hajjer settled in the valley of Mecca there was nobody living there at the time but eventually people slowly began to settle there and these people were nomads or Bedouin. With this in mind you can imagine that the people were simple folk who were unlettered and did not keep any written records.

This and all the information we have about Prophets Ibrahim and Ishmael (Salatul Asalaam to them) is from the Prophet Mohammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) who received these information from Archangel Jibreel (Alayhi Salaam). I know you will find all this hard to believe because......well you are an unbeliever. No pun intended.