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    Posted: 29 January 2013 at 10:32am

Hebrews 5:7
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7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.
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Hi Mahdi read on - Hebrews 5.8-
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
 
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Originally posted by Experiential Experiential wrote:

Hi Mahdi read on - Hebrews 5.8-
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered

and suffering only means dying on the cross?.
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Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 ,
Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.
 
Hebrews 12:2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
 
God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.


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Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke Mahdi The Seeke wrote:


Hebrews 5:7
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7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.


and he was heard because of his reverence.

Dying on the cross... being crucified... was a long and torturous death.
Jesus was spared in that His Spirit went free from His body after only 3 hours.
"into Your hands I commend My Spirit."  "It is finished."

also, His legs were not broken as was the usual practice.
Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis
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Originally posted by Experiential Experiential wrote:

Partlyhis sufferingwas about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 ,
Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.


Hebrews 12:2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


God is so Holy thata persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.
God is so Holy thata persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.that is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that.
t he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.
nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus.
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Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke Mahdi The Seeke wrote:

Originally posted by Experiential Experiential wrote:

Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 ,
Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.

 

Hebrews 12:2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.
God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.that is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that.
t he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.
nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus.

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That is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that.

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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.

Titus 3:5.

 

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, so that no one can boast.

Ephesians 2-8,9

 

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nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus.

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Yes your sins are covered by Christ Jesus The Messiah provided you ask Him into your life as your Lord.

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The operative word in the verse which Mahdi misuses is that God could save Jesus from death, which He did not do, as He let Jesus die, but He DID rescue Him from death afterwards, through the Resurrection. 

The suffering delineated in Hebrews 5:8 is explained throughout the Book of Hebrews as being that of death.  "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed to take away the sins of many people."  (Hebrews 9:27-28)

It's really bizarre seeing Hebrews being used to 'prove' that Jesus did not die according to the Bible!  Wink

Also, you still have to repent fom your sins for God the Father to be prepared to count Jesus as having died in your place, or tough. 
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