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Caringheart
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I have only just found this, shared by Nausheen... thank you Nausheen... which of course just adds further confusion to the issue, but at least now I understand the confusion. so it says; ""Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right" but it also says that those who believe in Jesus as the Son of God do not believe in allah... there may be real truth in that... allah is not our God may be the truth. Edited by Caringheart - 17 January 2013 at 11:35am |
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Caringheart
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I'm sorry, and I know this sounds contentious, but in all truth(and truly spoken in love), this is known in the financial world as 'hedging your bets'... attempting to cover yourself from both ends. Wishing peace and blessings. |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Nausheen, "Associating partners is a sin"We must be careful to discern what this means... associating partners with God. Did Muhammad have a divine birth? and yet you can not speak the name of allah without speaking also the name of Muhammad. So be careful in your discerning. "the belief that there is a god besides God"Regarding this, This is what is so hard to make others understand "the belief that there is a god besides God" We do not believe there is a god besides God. We do not believe Jesus is a god. Jesus is One with God... a part of Him... the part that God Himself chose to send to this earth, to His creation, in human form, in the hopes of reaching them. God decides to 'do a new thing' in the hopes of reaching the hearts of His creation. It seems a concept that is just too difficult for some to grasp, but not for those who believe in Jesus and in what Jesus said and revealed of the Father through Himself. Salaam, Caringheart |
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Caringheart
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TG, "This verse in the Quran refers to Christians who lived before Muhammad"Who says? It does not say this in the qur'an. I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion... from where do you get this conception? It does not say in the quran, what you are saying... it does not say, 'Oh you Christians who came before I sent you Muhammad'. It says that the qualifying factor for belief is "Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right" God's Word... in His scriptures, is meant to be for all time. It doesn't distinguish people of one time from another. I'm not sure I am quite clear on what it is that you are saying. Caringheart note; the quranic scriptures differ whoever believes in allah and his messenger... (we might ask, which messenger was actually meant if this was spoken by Muhammad) and the last day. and surah 5 was one of the final few to be revealed. Some things to think about. Edited by Caringheart - 17 January 2013 at 10:56am |
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NABA
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I just want to quote verses from Qur'an that in surah an Nisa ch 4 v 48 and in verse 116,Allah says that Allah if wants will forgive any sin except shirk(associating partners with God).for eg when any Muslim says merry Christmas he is committing shirk.
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Abu Loren
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Reepicheep Reepicheep Reepicheep how underhanded you are! Like all the Christians here you like to twist everything around. Go back and read I mean READ what Nausheen has written. Christians lack that too, I'm afraid. No wonder ALL Christians are snakes in the grass. Dispicable hypocrites.
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Reepicheep
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Nausheen wrote: Honestly, this question it way too technical for me to handle... perhaps the opener can explain his intent further...
OK, Nausheen, I think I finally understand what you believe. To summarize: - without defining what the word "Christian" means, Abu Loren has declared that every single Christian without exception is destined to spend eternity in hell
- you then came along and declared your belief that Abu Loren is correct in what he says about Christians and hell
- when I asked you for clarification on what Abu Loren believes, you stated that you're not really sure WHAT he believes, but whatever it is, you believe it to be true
You seem to have placed an incredible amount of faith in Abu Loren, since you have apparently attached your eternal fate to his.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that on the day of judgement Allah finds Abu Loren guilty of blasphemy for falsly claiming that every single Christian without exception is going to hell. Even though you admit that you don't know exactly what Abu Loren believes, you have nevertheless declared Abu Loren's beliefs to be true. So, if Allah decides that Abu Loren is guilty of blasphemy, then you admit that you too are guilty of blasphemy. Correct?
I find it interesting that you have such a deep belief in Abu Loren that you are willing to tie your eternal fate to his. Instead of putting your faith in Abu Loren as you seem to have done, I suggest it might be wiser of you to instead put your faith in Allah, but the decision is of course up to you.
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Nausheen
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Honestly, this question it way too technical for me to handle. The answer is I don't know about those who were in shirk(polytheism) before the revelation of the Quran. To clarify further, all christians and all jews, means all of these people to whom the message of Quran and news of Muhammad has reached. This is how I saw the first message on this string. [perhaps the opener can explain his intent further if it was meant otherwise] I can give you my speculation on the subject. It is said that Allah has sent 125000 prophets on earth, and there has never been a nation who has not received a prophet. Therefore, there has never been a nation who has not been told about the seriousness of tawheed (oneness of God). Allah has corrected polytheism amongst various generations and various nations through a series of prophets - and His message against it has always been very strict. He has also punished nations by natural calamities - ie those who rejected their prophets, like the A'ad and Thamud. Thus it seems those who committed shirk, even though they had not heard of muhammad's (pbuh) message, have offended God and have earned hell fire. As for the followership of muhammad (pbuh), only those are guilty of rejecting him who have done so AFTER his message was clearly delivered to them - this is understood by the example of the uncle of Khadija (ra) who was a christian monk. He was a true believer of Isa (pbuh), and he died before Islam was perfected. People like him are regarded as believers in Islam. |
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