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islamispeace
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Great..."Caringheart" tries to keep her train-wreck going by referring to Wikipedia. Is it any surprise that she never provides references for the nonsense she copies from the internet? The fact that there were other stones in pre-Islamic Arabia does not come as a surprise. What else would one expect in a pagan land? It is a well-known fact that the Kaaba in Mecca was an ancient site that was revered by all Arabians. This is what Von Grunebaum stated: "Mecca is mentioned by Ptolemy, and the name he gives it allows us to identify it as a South Arabia foundation created round a sanctuary..." Moreover, Edward Gibbon wrote: "The genuine antiquity of Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era: in describing the coast of the Red sea the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad." [http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/kaaba.html] Hence, it is clear that the Kaaba was an important and ancient sanctuary in Arabia, far older than any other such sites. |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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Caringheart
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Greetings islamispeace,
I would have to say that wikipedia is a lot less biased source than islamic-awareness.org However, I am not disputing with you. Did you pay attention to the title of the thread? Shouldn't you be at prayers? Edited by Caringheart - 28 August 2014 at 4:40pm |
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Great..."Caringheart" tries to keep train-wreck going by copying some random web forum [http://historum.com/ancient-history/44797-so-who-built-kaaba-2.html]. How objective! The fact is that the Kaaba was not dedicated to Hubal. According to Von Grunebaum (whom we met previously ): "It seems quite a defensible suggestion that even before Muhammad the Ka'ba was first and foremost the holy place of Allah, and not that of the Hubal..." As for the ridiculous claim that Hubal was the same as Baal, scholars say otherwise: "The Qur'an condemns Baʿal worship. Moreover, it is also clear that in both the Nabataean and Arabic scripts the difference between Hubal and Baʿal (with an ʿayn) always existed, and that they were considered two distinct deities." [http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/hubal.html] These are the facts that any rational person not blinded by a priori assumptions and bias should be able to ascertain. Unfortunately, it seems that some nitwits never learn! |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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Riiight...Wikipedia, where articles are written by anonymous buffoons, is "less biased" than than a website maintained by an actual scholar who is affiliated with the University of Cambridge among others [http://www.islamic-awareness.org/faq.html] Oh and I just finished prayers. Shouldn't you go back to the loony bin? Isn't it your bedtime? Edited by islamispeace - 28 August 2014 at 5:01pm |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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I mentioned the following on another thread, but since it is relevant here, I am mentioning it here as well.
We routinely see Christian fanatics trying to attack the origins of the title "Allah" for God, claiming that Allah was a pagan god. Unfortunately for these people, the fact is that Jews and Christians had no trouble referring to God as Allah, so the polemical attacks are simply pointless and fall flat. What is even more ironic is that had these people taken the time to investigate the origins of the name of God in the Bible, Yahweh, they would be shocked as to its origins. According to Professor Mark S. Smith: "...Yahweh, originally a warrior-god from Sinai/Paran/Edom/Teiman was known separately from El at an early point in early Israel. Perhaps due to trade with Edom/Midian, Yahweh entered secondarily into the Israelite highland religion" ("The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel", pp. 32-33) He also adds that, originally, "the god of Israel" was not "Yahweh" but "El". |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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Another very interesting discussion, well worth listening to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppT8JK1loSg |
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Zoroastrianism
progressive mentality \ destructive mentality / two opposing forces under one God illuminating Wisdom - God - Ahura Mazda, "wise Lord", the uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed (faith with a transcendent divinity, widely believed to have influenced the theology of Isma'ilism) the "chaotic" is represented by Angra Mainyu (also referred to as "Ahriman"), the "Destructive Principle" (here I take note of a similarity, the word angry, bears similarity to Angra... and anger is truly a destructive force) the benevolent is represented through Ahura Mazda's Spenta Mainyu, the instrument or "Bounteous Principle" of the act of creation (this is a concept very much like the Christian, Holy Spirit) Ahura Mazda is immanent in humankind, and through which the Creator interacts with the world. Ahura Mazda's creation� widely agreed as asha, truth and order is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, at which point the universe will undergo a cosmic renovation and time will end. In the final renovation, all of creation�even the souls of the dead that were initially banished to "darkness"�will be reunited in Ahura Mazda, returning to life in the undead form. At the end of time, a savior-figure (a Saoshyant) will bring about a final renovation of the world (frashokereti), in which the dead will be revived. Edited by Caringheart - 06 November 2014 at 11:19pm |
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Hello Caringheart
Are you a Parsi? Do you believe in the divine origin of Islam? |
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