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    Posted: 10 January 2013 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by Nausheen Nausheen wrote:

Originally posted by TG12345 TG12345 wrote:


Originally posted by 786SalamKhan 786SalamKhan wrote:

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.
Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, SalaamKhan, nothing and Abu Loren.From what I have read from your responses and from the Quran and Ibn Kathir's commentary, it seems to me that Islam (like Christianity) teaches that Moses was an Israelite and Pharaoh was an Egyptian. Would that be a correct statement? Shukran.


This is correct. Firaun was the king of Egypt and an Egyptian.

I dont have a reference on top of my head, but where it is mentioned that musa alaihe salam killed the egyptian, it says that he was a non Egyptian.

He was an isreali and at the time he was born firaun had ordered the killing of isreali male infants. That is how he ended up in a box in the river, who was saved by Queen of Egypt (Asiya) the wife of firaun.

Im sorry for references, because the story of musa alaihe salam is spread over several chapters. But if you are too particular, may be I should dive into - but it may take some time.


Salaam Alaikum Abu Lorence and Nausheen. Thank you so much for your input. My question has been answered.
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Originally posted by TG12345 TG12345 wrote:


Originally posted by 786SalamKhan 786SalamKhan wrote:

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.
Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, SalaamKhan, nothing and Abu Loren.From what I have read from your responses and from the Quran and Ibn Kathir's commentary, it seems to me that Islam (like Christianity) teaches that Moses was an Israelite and Pharaoh was an Egyptian. Would that be a correct statement? Shukran.


This is correct. Firaun was the king of Egypt and an Egyptian.

I dont have a reference on top of my head, but where it is mentioned that musa alaihe salam killed the egyptian, it says that he was a non Egyptian.

He was an isreali and at the time he was born firaun had ordered the killing of isreali male infants. That is how he ended up in a box in the river, who was saved by Queen of Egypt (Asiya) the wife of firaun.

Im sorry for references, because the story of musa alaihe salam is spread over several chapters. But if you are too particular, may be I should dive into - but it may take some time.

Edited by Nausheen - 10 January 2013 at 5:41am
<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa

Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena

wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR]
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Originally posted by TG12345 TG12345 wrote:

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan 786SalamKhan wrote:

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.



Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, SalaamKhan, nothing and Abu Loren.

From what I have read from your responses and from the Quran and Ibn Kathir's commentary, it seems to me that Islam (like Christianity) teaches that Moses was an Israelite and Pharaoh was an Egyptian. Would that be a correct statement?

Shukran.
 
Yes Musa (Alayhi Salaam) was a an Israelite as he was taken from his mother in order to save him and put into the household of the Pharoah who was an Egyptian. Same as the Christians and Jews believe.
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Originally posted by 786SalamKhan 786SalamKhan wrote:

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.



Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, SalaamKhan, nothing and Abu Loren.

From what I have read from your responses and from the Quran and Ibn Kathir's commentary, it seems to me that Islam (like Christianity) teaches that Moses was an Israelite and Pharaoh was an Egyptian. Would that be a correct statement?

Shukran.
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Originally posted by 786SalamKhan 786SalamKhan wrote:

Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.

 
Moreover, Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an that a Prophet is sent to his own people, therefore, Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) cannot be an Egyptian. He is also associated with leading the children of Israel. 
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Prophet Moses according to the Quran led the Israelites out of Egypt.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1127&Itemid=62
Both the Quranic and Biblical accounts of Moses are almost identical except for a few details for example the Ten Commandments incident.
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Originally posted by nothing nothing wrote:

If I am not mistaken:
Allah treats Musa as an Egyptian,
but Musa himself bias where he inclined to the Israelite,
Yet Pharaoh (the new one) reminded Musa that he was one of them once upon a time.
In the end Musa given up the Israelite.
And in the end he was alone, stateless, raceless.

Please don't ask me for sources, that would all over the place.

 
You are mistaken!
 
If you go and re-read the Holy Qur'an then you will know that Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) was adopted by the wife of Pharoah as her own after finding him in the river. You will find the story of Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) very similar to that in the Bible. Therefore, the story if Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) has not been corrupted too much in the Bible.
 
To answer TG12345's question, Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) was a Jew who was adopted by Pharoah and the had to flee after killing an Egyptian. Then at the age of forty he was chosen by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala as a Prophet of God (God spoke to him directly). Then he was sent back to Egypt with his brother Prophet Harun (Alayhi Salaam) to free thier people who were in bondage.
 
Read the Holy Qur'an from beginning to end and you will find their story.
 
By the way, the reason his brother Prophet Harun (Alayhi Salaam) was sent also is because we are told that Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salaam) had a speech impediment.
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Originally posted by nothing nothing wrote:

If I am not mistaken:
Allah treats Musa as an Egyptian,
but Musa himself bias where he inclined to the Israelite,
Yet Pharaoh (the new one) reminded Musa that he was one of them once upon a time.
In the end Musa given up the Israelite.
And in the end he was alone, stateless, raceless.

Please don't ask me for sources, that would all over the place.



An interesting interpretation, nothing. Is this from the Quran and hadiths? Can you show Islam teaches this?

Were Musa's people Israelites or Egyptians? Shukran.
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