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Therepy against anti-semitism: Freedom of choice - Event Date: 14 November 2012

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    Posted: 23 November 2012 at 1:05am
When I see Muslims debating Muslims I am very hopeful for a better future, because I think civilized debate is so important. Two quotes come to mind:

"When all people think alike, no one thinks very much."

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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I will further explain to you: Umar was 22 years old when Uthman and Abubakar accepted Islam for he accepted Islam about ending of 5th year after beginning of revelation.
Secondly, note that the emphasis of the Qur'an was at Makka for there was no Sunna in Makka. Therefore the Qur'an means the opening chapter which is compulsory. Then understand that the delegation used  to come in batches and used to stay for a month or so learning the Qur'an. So, the Shari'a  is only on those delegations.
Finally, this shows the nature of knowledge : In Islam it is very vast and as such one may explain what is not of interest to one. Thus why it is always better for one to read and understand on his own. However discussion is the best method of learning as adopted by Abu Hanifa and his circle.
Question: Who are your favorite scholars" I mean do you read the books of Ghazali, Shafii, Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Hazm Andalisia, Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Qayyim, Shatibi, Shankiti, Shawkani? You must read wide to understand the Sunna

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Well, I think we're done here.
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Assalamu alaika Abuayisa.

Now you beginning to be with me. Are you a scientist like me?
Let us analyze.
1. Abubakar Siddiq was 37 years old when he accepted Islam.
2. Umar bin Khattab 25 years old.
3. Uthman ibn Affan was 20 years old when he accepted Islam.
4. Ali ibn Abi Talib 10 years old.
Hijra.
1. The hijra of the holy Apostle and abubakar superceeds all hijra performed  2. Uthman performed two hijras while Umar performed one.
3. Ali ibn Abi Talib was the last to perform hijra.
Education.
No doubt- Abubakar, followed by Umar, Uthman and then Ali. The important point here is they were all Caliphs.

Now the hadith is matched with action. Any controversy? I do not know your country of residence. What is the practice in your country? Let us be practical please and help one another. If you want further information you can go through Tabaqat kubra and make research on the ages of the sahabas to find out who was older than Abubakar etc.

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Assalamu alaika Abuayisa.

Read carefully applying the methodology giving by the holy apostle and Sahabas on deductions and ruling from the Qur'an and the ahadith of the holy apostle. The answer is there clearly given by the author. I am sure the author is referring to what we see from those Westerners who accept Islam. They immediately visit Makka without knowing the rules and regulations on prayers and hajj. But why skipping the reality? Is Arafat supposed to held on the 9th of Zulhajj? Please try to reason. You should understand what I am saying. As I said earlier, I listened to the video of Martin Lings and I was disturbed when he said that Arafat was observed on the 9th in 1948. I checked his book and found that. do you his book on the history of the holy apostle?
From that date,  there was never an Imam and probably you if you were ever there who read the exact date Arafat was observed. It was observed on Friday. Then when was Friday in 632 A.D? Was there ever a historian who said that that Arafat was not observed on Friday. I read that book also and I am convinced by the author after checking his references. I  checked the commentary of Qur'an by Imam Shankiti on chapter 22 and I understood what the author said. If you do not understand why not read the tafsir of shankiti?
Please do not be shy to discuss with your Imam and other brothers. It is important they buy that book.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2012 at 11:40am
Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

The quality of their Rabbis is that they never say what they do not know and always give you reference to support what they say.
 
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Friendship, in the introduction of your book, that I quoted from previously, you state the following: "The first thing you do on accepting the teaching of Muhammad is to go on pilgrimage.  May Allah forgive you!  I swear by Allah, your pilgrimage is not rewarded, because there is no Caliph leading the Arafat prayer."
 
Please provide your "reference to support" what you have claimed above in your book.  What is the textual evidence that a new Muslim after embracing Islam must make hajj, and what is your supporting evidence that hajj without a Caliph is not rewarded?
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Originally posted by Friendship Friendship wrote:

Assalamu alaikum abuayisa.
 Why did you not comment on what the author says on page 33?
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Abu Mas`ud Al-Ansari reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, �The person who can best read the Book of Allah will lead the people (in prayer). If they are equal in reading (the Qur�an), then the one who has more knowledge of the Sunnah. If they are equal in the knowledge of Sunnah, then the one who was first in making the Hijrah (from Makkah to Madinah). If they are equal in that then the one who is more senior (or older) in Islam. Let not a person lead the prayer in the place of the authority of another person and let him not sit in his house in his place of honor, except by his permission.� (Reported by Muslim)�

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Assalamu alaika Abu loren.


I am friendly with the Jews. By the Allah of Abraham, I do not know why they like me.
I respect the Jews and always pray for Allah to turn their hearts to follow the Sunna of Muhammad. Their story in the Qur'an and explanations from their Rabbis make my faith stronger, to follow no one but Allah and his last prophet and messenger. The quality of their Rabbis is that they never say what they do not know and always give you reference to support what they say.
 
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