What is this "something else"?

Regarding the Trinity my suggestion to all is that they must read the Word of Yshwe themselves and reach their own conclusion.� For me it is clear that� there was more to Yshwe than a human being.� When I read the whole of scripture from old testament through the new I see the Trinity everywhere in it... beginning with the first 'We'... We made man in 'Our' own image.�<span id="en-KJV-26" ="text="" gen-1-26"=""><sup ="versenum"="">26�And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likenessFor me, seeing the Trinity is easy... it seems to me that all of everything the Creator designed is based on Trinity... the number 3.Peace and blessings to you,Caringheart</span>

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Greeting CH

Have you ever asked yourself why a trinity is needed? Why can't God Almighty function as a single, unitary unit. Why does He need the assistance of two others?

Besides, the question about the need no one can overlook the verses in OT that strongly reject other gods.

�Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD� Deuteronomy 6:4

�Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.� Isaiah 44:8

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5

�Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me�� Isaiah 46:9

So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being.

What does Jesus say about God?
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he (Jesus) had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:28-29

�I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.� John 5:30

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28

Clearly Jesus PBUH himself saw no trinity.

The Saint wrote: Caringheart wrote: Regarding the Trinity my suggestion to all is that they must read the Word of Yshwe themselves and reach their own conclusion.  For me it is clear that  there was more to Yshwe than a human being.  When I read the whole of scripture from old testament through the new I see the Trinity everywhere in it... beginning with the first 'We'... We made man in 'Our' own image. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likenessFor me, seeing the Trinity is easy... it seems to me that all of everything the Creator designed is based on Trinity... the number 3.Peace and blessings to you,Caringheart Greeting CH Have you ever asked yourself why a trinity is needed? Why can't God Almighty function as a single, unitary unit. Why does He need the assistance of two others? Besides, the question about the need no one can overlook the verses in OT that strongly reject other gods. �Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD� Deuteronomy 6:4 �Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.� Isaiah 44:8 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5 �Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me�� Isaiah 46:9 So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being. What does Jesus say about God? And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he (Jesus) had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:28-29 �I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.� John 5:30 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28 Clearly Jesus PBUH himself saw no trinity.

Greetings The Saint,

I don' think He 'needs' the assistance of two others.  That is simply the nature of His being.  I don't put the Creator into the small little box of the human mind.  I believe He is outside of our understanding and that these terms are only for our benefit to try and help us to understand His nature.  The Creator can be, and do, anything He/It wants to be or do.

Have you ever asked yourself, 'Why would the almighty Creator be limited to having a singleness?  a one dimensional nature?'

One 'in being' with the Father...
I and My Father are One  (the Word of Yshwe)

Yshwe was God's arm on earth... so yes, He was less on earth, than the Father in heaven, and could only do on earth as the Father sent Him to do.

I know it's a hard concept for some, but not for me.

It is much like the brain that controls your arm... they are of one body but the arm would do nothing without the brain... the brain is greater than the flesh... it controls the flesh.

Peace and blessings,
Caringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 23 November 2014 at 11:39am

Caringheart wrote: ��If you understood Him, it would not be God.� I happened to hear this today on the radio.� It was attributed to St. Augustine.� I think it must come from the following;�God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed.� - Saint Augustineand I seem meant to have heard it,� so that I might share it. asalaam and blessings,Caringheart

Amigo,
he is right on that one. Human mind cannot completely or correctly describe nor understand the maker of this universe and everything in it. And it is not expected of him, nor it is in his capacity.
Only God can describe who He is, and He did. It is for that reason that a Muslim should never add anything about God other than what God has said in His final word to us. In the Quran Allah describes Himself His qualities and names beside clarifying for us of what He is and what He is not, and that we should not say about God of which we have no knowledge.
"..Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"7:28
Here is one of the most basic yet so powerful description of God given in the Quran about what God is and what He is not. If a person grasp these four verses and hold on to them as a principle, a rule of thumb, he/she will never go wrong in describing God to others:
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.

Hasan


Edited by honeto - 24 November 2014 at 2:33pm

The Saint wrote: Caringheart wrote: 'One 'in being' with the Father...I and My Father are One  (the Word of Yshwe)Yshwe was God's arm on earth... so yes, He was less on earth, than the Father in heaven, and could only do on earth as the Father sent Him to do.I know it's a hard concept for some, but not for me.It is much like the brain that controls your arm... they are of one body but the arm would do nothing without the brain... the brain is greater than the flesh... it controls the flesh. Jesus said, My father and I are one. Meaning they are one in purpose.

Greetings The Saint,

but that's not what He said,

Yshwe said,

I and My Father are One  (the Word of Yshwe)

and we are told not to change the Word of God.

It was the very thing that enraged the Jewish leaders... they were enraged because He was claiming to be God.

³³ The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

asalaam,
Caringheart