At Your Service, Oh Mohammad

honeto wrote: Addressing the Prophet (pbuh) as if he is listening is not right and that's the impression I get when I read: "O Prophet" . He seem to address the prophet, and I guess that's where I see wrong. It reminds me of our Shia brothers who call upon Ali(RA) as if he can hear them.

Addressing a prayer to the Prophet is certainly the most glaring issue, but isn't there a similar problem with the whole idea of "serving" Muhammad?  I thought the duty of all Muslims is to serve Allah and only Allah.  Some might argue that to serve Muhammad is indirectly to serve Allah, but the same argument could be made that a prayer to Muhammad is indirectly a prayer to Allah.  Allah does not want or need intermediaries or "partners", whether for prayer or allegiance.  Certainly if the goal of all Muslims is to emulate Muhammad, then one could hardly imagine Muhammad praying to himself or pledging allegiance to himself.

Ron Webb wrote: honeto wrote: Addressing the Prophet (pbuh) as if he is listening is not right and that's the impression I get when I read: "O Prophet" . He seem to address the prophet, and I guess that's where I see wrong. It reminds me of our Shia brothers who call upon Ali(RA) as if he can hear them. Addressing a prayer to the Prophet is certainly the most glaring issue, but isn't there a similar problem with the whole idea of "serving" Muhammad?� I thought the duty of all Muslims is to serve Allah and only Allah.� Some might argue that to serve Muhammad is indirectly to serve Allah, but the same argument could be made that a prayer to Muhammad is indirectly a prayer to Allah.� Allah does not want or need intermediaries or "partners", whether for prayer or allegiance.� Certainly if the goal of all Muslims is to emulate Muhammad, then one could hardly imagine Muhammad praying to himself or pledging allegiance to himself.

Ron,
now that's mixing things up. There is a difference, if someone is praying to any prophet, or a saint or any person directly or indirectly, it is haram or forbidden in Islam.
Obeying the prophets is of course not the same. Obeying the prophet is like obeying the law, the authority. The prophets were the authority, the law installed by God on earth.
Kneeling down, bowing down, kissing, praying and asking for something in front of a man made statue or a God made creature is forbidden in Islam and Muslims do not do that.
By following Newton's law of motion or gravity, no one is worshiping Newton, while according to your argument they are!
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 02 October 2012 at 2:52pm

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Br. Hasan, I thing we have already explained the Islamic position on what is shirk; what you are doing now is giving Ron WEBB a plat form for what he is here for.

 

   Let me explain what is going on if you didn�t recognize it yet. The Masons is preparing an all out attack on ISLAM. They already got all their Military in position for this event. If you notice they already launch of poster in the subway, and the cartoon and now the movie; the reason for that is before they launch an all out attack they first defame Islam so when we cry for the world to help no one will listen to us. Next, the turn Salafies against Shia to help them achieve their goal in wining with less booth on the ground like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq, what is important to know is both Sunny ans Shia is going down; they are preparing a mass murdering. Do you notice on the news the �SARS� VIRUS APPEARS IN SAUDI? COINCIDENT? NO! When the would have launch the war on Iran most likely they will release an airborne strain of the SARS in Saudi and blame it on �MUTATION OF THE VIRUS� WHICH WOULD BE AN ALL OUT WAR ON ISLAM; TRUST ME BROTHER, THESE PEOPLE ARE SATAN WORSHIPER. ROM WEBB IS A MOUTH PEACE FOR THEM (I MEAN NO OFFEND TO HIM).

 

Br. Zainool

Ron Webb wrote: "messenger" for the law of gravity. The universe obeys the law of gravity, not the law of Newton.

Messenger is the right word, Ron. The Universe obeys the Laws of God. Everybody, everybody except humans are bound to obey the Law of God. Humans do have choice, either to obey or disobey Him, but obeying God is best for you, if you know it. Humans have weak memories, he constantly forgets of what he was told, he requires consistent written materials that can refresh his memories about obeying God.

So, Messengers were sent on the earth to remind the Law to the people, but as it is with human, he is so weak, he requires interpretation and explainations to understand the Law. So the Messengers took up the task as they had best understanding of Laws as a human being, they interprete the Laws and it was decided that, this will be followed until next next Messenger arrives.

So, we obey the Laws of Allah by understanding those Laws interprete by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). He was the Last (and Final) Messenger of Allah and we obey the Laws of Allah which are describe in detail by Prophet.

Our Love and Passion for Muhammad (PBUH) is very imense. You see, you can't obey the Laws unless you utmostly respect and love those who bring the Law to you, who make it understand to you. Therefore We have utmost respect for Prophet (though we are weak in practices) and we get imensely hurt and emtionally distrubed when we hear/see such things in the name of Prophet.
....I'm quite sure you are not paralelling the Laws of God with the man-made Laws.

And by-the-way what you have asked in your original post, it is not a Shrik..and it has been explained to you in a quite detail up here.

Edited by m.sumair - 03 October 2012 at 11:06am