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truthnowcome
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Peace Caringheart.
The word "received" is a typo mistake, understood! <> No, I think you are not coming straight. You said: �Jesus is the Holy Spirit that dwell with the disciples�. He then breathes into the disciples the Holy Spirit. I want to know if Jesus (S) breads himself into the disciples.
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Caringheart
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Greetings TNC, I'm sorry I was responding to this; Jesus (S) said (and this is before he left): �...as my father hath sent me, even so i send you (the disciple) and when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, received ye the holy ghost.� (john.20:21-22)and I thought you were asking if Jesus 'breathed' the Holy Spirit into the Disciples. If you truly mean the word 'bread' I am assuming you are referring to the last supper? Where Jesus breaks bread and says "this is My body which will be given up for you"? So are you asking if eating the bread is receiving the Spirit of Jesus? It is what Jesus said... "when you eat this bread and drink this cup" Are you asking if I, personally, take it literally? Others do. I, personally, am not sure. Do I believe we come into communion with God? Yes, but what that means individually I believe is open to interpretation and according to each individual's experience. Again, I don't know if that helps. Salaam, Caringheart |
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truthnowcome
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Peace
Caringheart,
TNC You said:
In that post you said: �Jesus (S) is the Spirit that dwelleth with his Apostle�� That is the reason I ask: �when Jesus (S) breathed on to the disciples if he breathed himself unto them� Jesus (S) said (and this is before he left): �...as my father hath sent me, even so i send you (the disciple) and when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, received ye the holy ghost.� (john.20:21-22) Did Jesus (S) bread himself into the disciples there? In the post below you change the tone, you said: ��Jesus had the Spirit of God...�
I know what is the Spirit of God, but you have to make up your mind If Jesus (S) is the Spirit that dwelleth with the disciples or if was the Spirit of God.
I am waiting, Peace!
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Greetings TNC, This is easy to explain. I am not going to quote your entire post as it will only be confusing to others, but I hope that you and I may follow. Jesus did/does have the Spirit of God within Him... and to His apostles, while on earth He is that Spirit of God that is with them. As far as breathing on them... again I correct where you typed 'received', the word is 'receive' as you already acknowledged(I only mention it again for clarity here... to make sure we are understanding each other. )... Now I do not take this to mean that His apostle's received the Holy Spirit at that time, as the Gospels tell me that the Holy Spirit came to the apostles at Pentacost... after Jesus had risen, just as Jesus had said, the Holy spirit could not, and would not, come until He had gone. This is how I understand. Salaam, Caringheart
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truthnowcome
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I am waiting, Peace! TNC Greetings
TNC, This is
easy to explain. I am not
going to quote your entire post as it will only be confusing to others, but I
hope that you and I may follow. Jesus
did/does have the Spirit of God within Him... and to His apostles, while
on earth He is that Spirit of God that is with them. As far as
breathing on them... again I correct where you typed 'received', the word is
'receive' as you already acknowledged(I only mention it again for clarity
here... to make sure we are understanding each other. )... Now I
do not take this to mean that His apostle's received the Holy Spirit at that
time, as the Gospels tell me that the Holy Spirit came to the apostles at
Pentacost... after Jesus had risen, just as Jesus had said, the Holy spirit
could not, and would not, come until He had gone. This is how I
understand. Salaam, Caringheart
Peace unto
you! It says in John.20:21-22 �...As my father hath sent me, even so I �send� you (the disciple) and when he had said this, he breathe on them, and said unto them, �received ye the Holy Ghost.� (John.20:21-22). They were then sent to go and remit sins: �Whosesoever sins ye (The disciples) remit, they are remited unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.� John 20:23 Did
they remit sins empty handed? Edited by truthnowcome - 09 October 2012 at 10:48am |
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truthnowcome
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I am waiting, Peace! TNC Greetings
TNC, This is
easy to explain. I am not
going to quote your entire post as it will only be confusing to others, but I
hope that you and I may follow. Jesus
did/does have the Spirit of God within Him... and to His apostles, while
on earth He is that Spirit of God that is with them. As far as
breathing on them... again I correct where you typed 'received', the word is
'receive' as you already acknowledged(I only mention it again for clarity
here... to make sure we are Salaam, Caringheart Caringheart, there is a big difference between �WITH him� and �HE is� If the spirit of God is with him and he is the Spirit of God then what you are implying is that Jesus is with Jesus.
So this verse �I saw the Spirit descending from heaven... and abode upon him.�(John 1:32) Will imply that Jesus abode upon Jesus. Which one is really Jesus (S)? thc |
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honeto
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Caringheart, you said above: "Jesus did/does have the Spirit of God within Him...�and to His apostles, while on earth" This is in contrast to what you said once before. Remember when we were talking about John 16:12�I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13�But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14�He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15�All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you." At that point you were saying that this refers to the coming of the holy spirit. Now you are saying that while on earth Jesus and the apostles had that Spirit with them. In fact you are saying that Jesus was that Spirit! So now beside creating more problems, it disproves your own thoughts before that the Holy Spirit was the one that the above verses say will come. Hasan |
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Caringheart
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Greetings, I really hate when people confuse my words when I think I have been quite clear. I will say it again. The Holy Spirit whom Jesus referred to while He was with His apostles was Himself... the Holy Spirit was in Jesus... remember the Spirit of God... the dove... which descended upon Jesus when John the Baptist baptized Him? Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to His apostles after He was gone from the earth... that the Holy Spirit could not come into them while He was still here on earth, but when He was gone they would not be left alone... that when He was gone he would send that Spirit[of Himself] to them, to indwell them. While with them in the flesh, Jesus was that Holy Spirit of God. Once he was gone the Holy Spirit came into the Apostle's at pentacost. No confusion. Is it a mystery? Yes. Mystery is not the same as confusion. Salaam |
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