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AhmadJoyia
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Ok, so for Q1, you think this name is the original name given to Jesus by his mother? Is that what you mean or what? What was the original language of Jesus? For Q2, I guess you are saying that personal sins are no more punishable in Christianity. Am I correct? So don't you think this is clearly a changed Law and therefore a negation of Jesus's own fulfillment of the law? I must remind that forgiveness of a Sin, doesn't make the action non-sinful. Secondly, if so taken, you think all forms of adultery are personal sins? If so, What about the cheating of a spouse in Adultery etc? Do you think, it still remains a personal sin? |
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Caringheart
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Greetings AhmadJoyia, This turned into quite a long exposition. Question 1: Yes, I came to this conclusion about a year ago in my studies. I do not remember all the details of how I reached this conclusion. I know that part of it was when I purchased the Restoration Study Bible, which has both Hebrew and Greek concordances to refer to. To the best of my recollection I would say that the language of Yshwe(known by the Greeks as Jesus) was Aramaic. Question 2: Personal sins are still punished, but the message of Christ is that we only punish ourselves when we disobey God and sin. Without repentance we suffer the consequences of our sins. God's commands are for our good, for our protection. It is what gives us blessings in life... to follow the commands of God. Yshwe leads us to repentance... to a changed way of life... to re-birth, through Love. Yshwe does not change the laws of God, but Yshwe is the 'new thing' God promised. The laws of the old testament are the laws of Moses given to the people of that time. Those laws were incapable of bringing about a change in the behavior of God's people. The purpose of the law was merely to make people aware of sin... those things which would be harmful to them. 'it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, �You must not covet.'Yshwe admonished the Pharisees, the Jewish leaders, for 'laying heavy weights about the necks of the people [with laws of men] but providing no way for them to escape from their sins'. In other words they preached only punishment, but not redemption, not recourse. The law offered nothing in the way of hope and redemption. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.The Apostle Paul puts it thus... 'for while we had the law, I yet remained in sin' 'the law had no power to make a change in me' Yshwe is the fulfillment of the law... God's law... in that He leads away from sin by paying the penalty for our sins. He described it thus... 'for no greater Love is there than that a man lay down his life for another' He taught in a parable... recorded in the book of Matthew, chapter 18; that there was a servant who owed a debt to his master, and the master took pity on him and forgave his debt. 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.If the Lord sends someone to pay our debt, would we refuse? Would we 'trample under foot the blood of one who sacrificed his life for us'? Can not the Lord send who He wishes to pay our debts, to forgive our sins, when we but turn to Him in worship? 'if my people who are called by my name will turn from their wicked ways and call out to me, I will hear from heaven and will heal their land' For Scripture says: 'Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks upon the heart.' The Pharisees and the people were consumed with judging by the outward appearance of things. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,Jesus reprimands against judging by appearance. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. The parable of Yshwe teaches as recorded in the book of Luke, chapter 18: 9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: the prophesy of Jeremiah, chapter 31 31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:(This is a reference to the Holy Spirit which the followers of Yshwe received on Pentacost Sunday, and which the followers of Christ(Messiah) continue to receive to this day) 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Psalm 103Yshwe was, and is, the fulfillment of these prophesies. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 16 December 2015 at 8:47pm |
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AhmadJoyia
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Greetings to you as well Bro Caringheart! Since the Christmas is approaching, I must specifically send my heartiest greetings to you and your loved ones.
So, you are saying that Yshwe is an Aramaic name? Can you refer me to this source since in my knowledge, this language is long extinct.
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Thank you so much!
Greetings AhmadJoyia, It was only after consulting several sources that I came to my conclusion that Yshwe is the form of the name that would have been used in His own time. Yes, I do believe it was aramaic, but I can't say definitively without reviewing my earlier studies which I just don't have time to do. Please forgive.
I needed time to think about this. I consider the sin of adultery to be a personal sin... a thing that hurts ourselves... and that is why God calls it a sin.... but as I reflected, I reflect that you are correct (ha! that all rhymed ), adultery does also hurt the other person... but, is there any human punishment that can atone for such hurt? I believe Yshwe was teaching us that the way to salvation is through mercy and forgiveness. The only thing that takes away the pain of sin, is repentance, and forgiveness, and beginning anew... as the Christians would put it... being born again. Yshwe came to teach us that as human beings we are all weak and sinful, and if our Father in heaven can forgive, then who are we not to? He came to teach us that it is more important to show mercy on the weaknesses and failings of others, giving them the chance for repentance and redemption. Does it not have greater impact on a person when they are forgiven, when they know that they do not deserve that forgiveness? Is there a better way to change a heart? We have the two parables (the two teachings of Yshwe) 1. the woman whom He meets at the well, and to whom He reveals that her sins are not hidden but also does not punish her. It is enough that her conscience has been stirred to recognize that her shame is not hidden and that she will one day reap the consequence if she continues in her sins. She is only hurting herself and her eternal salvation. People are more motivated when they see how they hurt themselves. 2. the woman taken in adultery and Yshwe tells the townspeople... 'if ye have no sin then go ahead and cast the first stone'. They all walk away, and Yshwe says to the woman; Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?Would someone given such a gracious second chance turn back to their sin, or more likely try to turn away from it? To be saved from death has a way of making a great impact on people. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. We love, because He first loved us. Yshwe shows us the way to Love... I am, the Way, the Truth, and the Life Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 23 December 2015 at 2:21pm |
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Greetings AhmadJoyia, Interestingly today, during the Christmas mass held at the Vatican, they spoke a prayer in aramaic. Thought I'd share. |
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If you got his name from �somewhere�, should you not expect the original word of God to be in Aramaic, as well? Don�t you think, in its absence, all we read is translated interpretation of anonymous writers? Do you still think it is safe enough to trust in its each �word� of it, as the Church wants you to believe about it?
Bro no offense intended, how the justice be carried out if the oppressor gets away by his last moment repentance with no time to feel from remorse? Secondly, I wonder, how would the Truly Christian Government would rule without Jail times? Are you suggesting, spending tax payers money be spent to open up more and more Churches in a hope that one day such criminals might end up repenting for their sins? Hmm!! Very surprising proposition, if I am correct.
Ok you may assume all humans to be divinely �weak� (in the sense of ability to sin, same as you said sin nature), but not �sinful�, until or unless you bring the burden of �original sin� over their shoulders. If you do, then comparatively, why should anyone would become Christian and be indebted of this sin, which he had never committed?
But the offense is not against the God (if you think God has not made it illegal), but against another human being. Where is the Justice? So, if Christianity doesn�t guarantee Justice to the injured person, why anyone should join such a religion? When all the rapists/adulterers end up in the heaven just on the basis of last minute repentance, where is the Justice to the effected person?
I am not sure, if this has been the official policy of the Christian Kings of the past to rule the Christian folks without any justice system of punishing the criminals? Were there no jail times or no capital punishment? If we look back into Christianity�s royal history, we find exactly opposite of what you have described. Obviously we know, no community of people can work without some form of Justice system. This is an essential requirement of every society, even the biggest criminal societies must have some form of such a system. I guess one such example is if we just look at the early English settlements (of criminals) in America, even those thugs did establish their own Justice system for their survival as a community. Edited by AhmadJoyia - 02 January 2016 at 1:33pm |
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I fail to see the concern. Whether the scriptures were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, English, or any language... they say the same. I merely try to use the name for my Savior that the Apostle's might have used for Him, and that name would seem to be written as Yshwe. Spoken in Aramaic, recorded in Hebrew or Greek... doesn't really matter. I'm sorry that you so miss the message of Christ.
You hit the nail on the head... no one should 'join religion' they should seek relationship with God. What makes you think that, 'the rapists/adulterers end up in the heaven just on the basis of last minute repentance'Yshwe said, 'in My Father's house are many mansions' 'the humble will be exalted and the guilty will be brought low' 'all will be brought before the judgement seat' 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.'many will say Lord, Lord, but will be turned away' You say; " where is the Justice to the effected person? "In heaven, all will be justice... all past hurts... earthly, fleshly, human, hurts... will be forgotten... We will have left the body and the human memory behind. All will be only good conscience in heaven. ... no remembrance of past evil Men have always carried out human justices in order to be a protection to the general public... imprisonment, death penalty... but man's laws should be as a protection from others, but men are not in charge of protecting from one's own self. Bad choices often lead to bad results. It is up to each of us to guard against making bad choices, and this is the importance of the guidance of God. The sin of adultery is in the hands of the parties involved. To protect oneself from further injury one needs to either choose to forgive(possibly exposing to further injury, but a risk they must have the freedom to take or reject), or choose to walk away from the injuring party... but nothing outside persons can do will erase the sin, or the injury from sin. Men do try to make laws to discourage such behavior, and God Himself has certainly tried to discourage, and disapproves, such behavior. Do either mens laws, or God's, have much effect on a person determined to indulge the sinful nature? The penalty for sinful actions, comes in the form of the suffering one brings upon himself in the form of spiritual, emotional, mental, consequences... loss of important relationships, etc. Repentance comes from suffering. Salvation, and forgiveness, comes from repentance. and 'God wants all to be brought to salvation'. The Lord... my Lord... is 'not willing that 'a single soul should be lost'. (the words of Yshwe recorded in Matthew 18 and John 6... I hope that you will read them. ) asalaam and blessings, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 03 January 2016 at 1:00pm |
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