comparative studies

AhmadJoyia wrote: Thanks bro, for concluding a healthy debate, I must appreciate it.

Caringheart wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: So you do prefer �God�s wilful deceit� explanation as opposed to simple and logical explanation. This is very strange. Greetings AhmadJoyia,I do not view it your way at all.There is no 'willful deceit'.God is multi-faceted and beyond explanation to the human mind.� That is why He is described in many ways.� There are many attributes of God.� Islam, as well, teaches about the many attributes of God. AhmadJoyia wrote: Which one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUy-H5MmeGU&index=7&list=PLGHRsCEDjj5clk9Zhg2RDmsujQ_7GtfaX AhmadJoyia wrote: Should I conclude from this answer �a deficiency� in Christian system of governing human life on earth till the leader is found or there is something that you want to correct me about? There is no human leader that will ever be able to rule justly on earth.� It is why we await, and look forward with anticipation, to the coming of our Savior, Yshwe Messiah.asalaam and blessings,Caringheart

Thanks bro, for concluding a healthy debate, I must appreciate it.

Caringheart wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: My dear brother Caringheart, I do see you missing out an important part of my reply. Was it deliberate, how can I be sure, I simply don't know. Here is my reply for your eyes only. ahmadjoyia wrote: This passage has nothing to do with �Changing the law�. Secondly, if you look carefully (highlighted in red within your quoted passage), Jesus is seen calling himself the son of man as a preferred title. If we take your perspective, do you think this is a willful bluff by God to His subjects? I don�t think so!! Hence your theory of Jesus as God is clearly false and the only logical explanation of this passage is that Jesus is speaking on the behalf of God as the fully authorized prophet to show many miracles including raising from the dead. It is also important to know that the Prophets are not ordinary human beings but the special ones who are specifically selected by the God and supported by special powers of showing Miracles. Their status in view of the God is very special as they are the ones who are made responsible to convey the God�s message to the human beings. IMHO, this could be one reason that my Christian brothers might get confused with such authoritative language Jesus speaks, but one must realize that it is only on God�s behalf. . I hope to find your guidance in this regards. Greetings AhmadJoyia, Apologies. Sometimes I do not understand what it is you are meaning to say, or I do not see a question. I only answer as the Spirit guides me to answer. To your above I am guided tonight to say; Yshwe was showing that He is the Law.

That doesn�t say he changed the law.

Caringheart wrote: We know the things Yshwe said, as passed on by His Disciples...He called Himself Son of man, Son of God, He called God His Father He said, 'I and My Father are One' It is in taking as a whole, all of the things which Yshwe said, that we see the picture of who Yshwe was.

So you do prefer �God�s wilful deceit� explanation as opposed to simple and logical explanation. This is very strange.

Caringheart wrote: He said many times to His Disciples,'ye do not understand now', 'for it is not the time''I tell you things now, that you will understand later''I speak in parables that you will understand later''I go to a place where you can not follow''but I will not leave you alone, I will send the Comforter(the Holy Spirit to indwell them), but unless I go He can not come''tear down this temple and in 3 days I will rebuild it'Many things Yshwe shared with His Disciples did not make sense to them until after all had been fulfilled...but He also told them...'I tell you these things now so that when they come to pass you will remember'asalaam and blessings,CAringheart

IMHO, it is a mistake to take literal understanding of �parables�, if at all they were accurately quoted; which is highly improbable given the fact of anonymous authorship of the four canonical gospels.

Caringheart wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: So, you mean, the Jesus in flesh was not God? So how was he God, if not in flesh? Greetings AhmadJoyia, Did I share a youtube video with you?

Which one? Can you put it into your own words?

Caringheart wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: Don�t you think that the human spirit also doesn�t die even though his flesh does? Yes. Good. You come closer to understanding.

But this fact, takes away uniqueness of your theory about Jesus�s life or death etc.

Caringheart wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: Thanks bro though only through futile argument of again quoting from the same sources that are historically inaccurate as shown above. Are you saying then, that the qur'an is historically inaccurate? asalaam and blessings,Caringheart

Your assertion would not change the fact pertaining to the historical inaccuracy of 1 Samuel 8. Secondly, since this source is not from the NT, how can it be used to support your argument of changed law under Christian sons of Israel?

Lastly, but not the least, your answer does not refute but support my assertion where you replied to my comment:-

Caringheart wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: Nevertheless, you do seem to agree with my statement, at least till the time the Christians don�t get the �leader�, that I repeat it again. If there is no �Caesar�, it appears that the Christianity is unable to provide a standalone, one complete composite system of life for humans on earth? God will always raise up a leader according to the hearts of the people. If the hearts of the people are turned towards God then they will have Godly leaders. Christians pray all the time, for their leaders.

Should I conclude from this answer �a deficiency� in Christian system of governing human life on earth till the leader is found or there is something that you want to correct me about?

My dear brother Caringheart, I do see you missing out an important part of my reply. Was it deliberate, how can I be sure, I simply don't know. Here is my reply for your eyes only.

ahmadjoyia wrote: This passage has nothing to do with �Changing the law�. Secondly, if you look carefully (highlighted in red within your quoted passage), Jesus is seen calling himself the son of man as a preferred title. If we take your perspective, do you think this is a willful bluff by God to His subjects? I don�t think so!! Hence your theory of Jesus as God is clearly false and the only logical explanation of this passage is that Jesus is speaking on the behalf of God as the fully authorized prophet to show many miracles including raising from the dead. It is also important to know that the Prophets are not ordinary human beings but the special ones who are specifically selected by the God and supported by special powers of showing Miracles. Their status in view of the God is very special as they are the ones who are made responsible to convey the God�s message to the human beings. IMHO, this could be one reason that my Christian brothers might get confused with such authoritative language Jesus speaks, but one must realize that it is only on God�s behalf.

. I hope to find your guidance in this regards.