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    Posted: 06 November 2005 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

Please read the whole surah "Att-Toba" with complete context under which this verse must be understood and not in isolation. Thanks

All Muslims should read Tafsir Ibn-Kathir concerning At-Tauba, as it has been cited out of context both by uneducated Muslims to justify patently unIslamic practices and by non-Muslims determined to disparage Islam.

http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20702

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A very useful site on the fiqh of the four Sunni maddhabs is:

http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/law/law_resources.html#ma liki

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My direct question was whether using bombs was right or not, How did you get the idea that I was advocating killing civilians?  The modern jihad fighters I know about are commiting suicide because they are facing military frustration and the fact that there is no organized khilafah where people are uniting under to fight.
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Assalamo Alaikum

Do we make Halal what Allah has made haram for practical reasons?

since when have muslims used modern weapons in civilian areas we have been the one to be invaded, would you advocate killing muslims?

i suggest you look at modern Jihad fighters and the tactics they use, no jet fighters tanks or shelling of civilian areas.

There is no excuse period, if you feel the need to kill civilians on an excuse of practicality than you have not done jihad properly starting with jihad an nafs and culminating in the jihad with the body and soul.

Ali (hs) would not kill his enimie imdietly even after he spat in his face so not to kill him out of anger as this was haram.
Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Assalamo Alaikum

Of course the punishment of fire is reserved for Allah Tallah.

My question is one not of theory, but of practical tactics.  How should a Muslim country fight a war and with what type of weapons are they allowed to use Islamically? Swords and rifles, of course, what about bombs/missles thrown from airplanes or what about tanks that throw their bombs great distances? Nuclear bomb? Land mines?

Civilians dont venture onto the battlefield, the battlefield is where they live, the aspects of war have changed from 1400 years ago, it is entire cities, beachfronts and the other strategic points.

 

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Bi ismilahir rahmanir raheem

It is haram in Islam to kill using fire, as allah clearly states in the Quran that he is the only one who can punish with fire.

What kind of fighting do you imagine taking place where civilians live?

if the civilian ventures onto the battle field that is a different issue but your talking about taking the war to civilian areas which is not permisable unless you can ensure there safety.

these people who blow them selves up delibratly target civilians.
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I know and I agree, I just dont like the hyprocrisy of the west, when they throw atomic bombs on people and have ten of thousands more nuclear warheads waiting to be used, and deny those to Muslim nations, and speak of themselves as so highly that they only target combatants.

There is an underlying question of using any type of bomb.  That is a catapulted bomb does not know where it may land and who it may kill.  It may and does kill women and children.  So is that allowed Islamically or not?? Of course the enemy uses it, and justifies that they only target combatants, so is that the permission slip to use.  When you know the results do not match the intention.  You can only know who you are killing when in hand to hand combat with swords .  So it that the only weapon Muslims may use when its enemy has F-160 fighter jets and stealth weapons.  Of couse there is no declared war, but what to do when one is?

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

We dont behave as they do, The Quran and sunnah forbids killing women and children. Allah has set limits and this is one of them.

This what we shouldnt do quote verses of the quran against other versus of the quran and sunnah, as if Allah and his mesenger contradicted them selfs.

if i bring you another verse saying allah hates those who trangress all limits and bounds will you think there is a contradiction?

The Quran explains the Quran, strive hard against them but follow the limits allah has set, Not killing women and children is one of these limits.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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