What about music???

Chrysalis wrote: Matt Browne wrote: I think religions should not get involved with trivial things such as music. ....Music can also inspire us to do great things. If Religion is getting involved in something, that means its not trivial. Like you said, Music can inspire us to do things... I am sure there is wisdom behind Islam discouraging certain types of music. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/opinion/the-sikh-temple-killers-music-of-hate.html?_r=1 http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/21/news_pf/Floridian/Iraq__n__roll.shtml

Yes.  Good examples of bad music, and how the wrong music can have a bad influence.

What can be said about this?  Is this the prayer(chant) that is said five times a day?  What is its message?  What thought does it implant in the reciters mind?  Why do you think you are called to say it five times a day? 

1:1 (Asad) In the name of God, The Most Gracious, The Dispenser of Grace:
1:2 (Asad) All praise is due to God alone, the Sustainer of all the worlds,
1:3 (Asad) The Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace,
1:4 (Asad) Lord of the Day of Judgment.
1:5 (Asad) Thee alone do we worship; and unto Thee alone do we turn for aid.
1:6 (Asad) Guide us the straight way.

1:7 (Asad) The way of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, not of those who have been condemned [by Thee], nor of those who go astray!

What about the call to prayer?  The call to prayer sounds dangerously close to brain washing to me.  If you repeat something often enough to yourself you are apt to believe it. 
Mind control?  Do not think that you are far, and you are safe, from the actions of these other extremists.

Just my thoughts on the matter.  Something to be considered.

I have been bothered by this for some time but have said nothing.
I want to know what the Muslim interprets this prayer to mean.

You see... the prayer taught by Jesus... the Christian prayer, speaks only about themselves and God.  Jesus makes no mention of Himself.   It does not address other people but the relationship between the individual and God.  As far as how to treat others it aks forgiveness for trespasses and says to forgive those who trespass against... and be led not into temptation.  It says nothing about those who might lead us into temptation but places the responsibility between the individual and God.
Our Father, who art in heaven
Hallowed be Thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses
as we gorgive those who trespass against us
and lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil
Amen.

I bring this up on this thread only because it has been said that the Muslim's prayer is his  music.


Edited by Caringheart - 09 August 2012 at 1:01pm

What can be said about this?  Is this the prayer(chant) that is said five times a day?  What is its message?  What thought does it implant in the reciters mind?  Why do you think you are called to say it five times a day?

You posted the translation of some of the verses we recite during prayer. Anything objectionable in its contents? The entire prayer is basically us asking for guidance and glorifying God. 

What about the call to prayer?  The call to prayer sounds dangerously close to brain washing to me.  If you repeat something often enough to yourself you are apt to believe it.

Here are some things to consider:

- First of all, there is nothing objectionable in the contents of the Adhaan (call to prayer). It basically says God is Great, and come for prayers...

- Its not music.

- Majority of Muslims in this world (60-70% if not more) do not have Arabic for a mother tongue. Most of them don't even understand arabic. Even if the call to prayer was brain-washing, in order for these muslims to be brainwashed, they would need to understand what is being said.

You see... the prayer taught by Jesus... the Christian prayer, speaks only about themselves and God.  Jesus makes no mention of Himself.

 

And the prayers taught to us by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) also speak about God. We seek blessings for other Prophets and our parents during prayer.

Caringheart wrote: honeto wrote: Caringheart, I see in your post above the proof that you are not here really to learn, but to offend others and put their belief down and that is a shame. I hope you seek guidance and not preach what you cannot practice. As for the subject, let us first try to understand what one means by music. I have in my last post gave some input, but I guess more is needed. Music may mean different things to different people depending their cultural background. For example, here in the West when people hear the Adhan (Muslim call for prayer) or Tilawah (recitation of the Quran) they consider it music. In an Islamic country people may not refer to the same a music. There they consider things like pop,rock and roll, rap, country songs as music. So there is a difference in music, we need to be specific when we say which is allowed and which is not. Praising God in a beautiful tone with a rhythm is part of Islam, you want to call it music others want to call it Praise, chant, Tilawah and so on. Of course God loves such act. 73:4 ... and recite the Qur'an in slow, measured rhythmic tones. What you are describing as music (music unto the Lord), a Muslim like myself do it at least twenty times, a day or more when we recite Sura Faatiha in our daily five Salats. Just listen to it, and tell me, isn't it a beautiful recital? music? and this brother's voice is just so beautiful, praise God. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwtpNgFw5g Note that there is no instrument used, you know why because instruments are used to enhance what one is saying. Here the power of word of God and its beauty need no support or enhancement from any instrument. The power of the word is in it purity without any additives. I hope my explanation was of some help. Hasan I am sorry Hasan to hear that you take offense at me sharing something about myself. [IMG]smileys/smiley6.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Unhappy" /> "I do not come to be a stumbling block to anyone who may belong to God, and so, by all means, if you feel that music will lead you away from God then you should stay away from music. I only find that it draws me near... and because I only listen to music that is honoring to God." I did specify what music I felt was acceptable and what was not. "I only listen to music that is honoring to God." "I believe it matters what kind of music we are talking about... what kind of music you listen to.� There is much music in the world that is not helpful and leading away from God.� But there is much music that worships and honors God... guiding the thoughts to God and Father. If the music cleanses the soul it is good for the soul.� If the music feeds the flesh it is death for the soul. - C. Lynn" ________________________________________"What you are describing as music (music unto the Lord), a Muslim like myself do it at least twenty times, a day or more when we recite Sura Faatiha in our daily five Salats. "I have never disputed this fact. "Just listen to it, and tell me, isn't it a beautiful recital? music? and this brother's voice is just so beautiful, praise God.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwtpNgFw5g " Thank you for reminding me... I never did get to a computer where I could listen to the link you sent me once before.� I will try to do that today, as I think time and health will allow it today.� [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />It is always best to send me links, or references, in private message.� This way I do not lose track of them when I am at a computer where I can look at them. You did not need to explain yourself.� I have understood what you say.[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" />

Caringheart,
I think there is nothing wrong with music of praising God lifting your spirit. If you read my post, it depends what people describe as music. Like I have said, Adhan, and recitation of Quran is done in a balanced tones with rhythm, and is considered music by out siders, no instrument needed!
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 11 August 2012 at 11:14am

Its like asking can a basketball player text while playing?
There are too many things involved. Music artist are often treated as idols that creates a conflict of belief. Often, the contents of their music are objectionable, unknown. Those artists taken as idols, them and their lives are sometimes not good moral examples thus creating a conflict. How can you listen and admire someone for their music when they are at odds with your belief of what is good and what is bad. List is long but I hope the point is made. We can find all excuses and ways to please ourselves and keep progressing in it with time always taking a step further by turning unlawful into lawful, but a believer by heart and mind find ways to please his maker consistently while enjoying what is made lawful for him. Does it come at some price? Yes. Does it please everyone else? No. Does it make him look idle and unwilling to compromise? Yes. That's just a good believer.

My two cents.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 13 August 2012 at 3:25pm