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A-Tirawi
Newbie Joined: 26 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 10:31am | |
Nausheeh You are 100% correct in your assement. I have to be honest in saying i do not know anything about this number 19. This is the first time i have ever heard of it. But i have heard some other mathimatical miracles of the Quran and i have checked them out and they are to be true. Now will this get be into heaven? Of course not, but from time to to time when one has that atom weight of doubt, looking at the mere perfection of the Quran (in every sense of the word perfection), one can not help but say Subhan Allah, Alhamdulillah. It is easy to say this book is perfect, then you read it and say yes it is perfect, and mathematically it is perfect. Its just supportive material. But again, i agree with you that we should busy ourselves with worship but we trying to understand the Quran is a form of worship. |
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JohnDM
Guest Group Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 264 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 12:55pm | |
OK, so please consider the following.
The Shepherd�s Monument - The Temple Mount - the Haram- esh-Sharif One of Herod's greatest building projects was in Jerusalem. He wanted to enlarge and embellish the Temple, but the mountain on which Solomon had built the First Temple and on which Zachariah and Haggai had built the Second was just too small for his plans. That didn't stop Herod. He dramatically increased the size of the Temple Mount by constructing huge encasement walls creating a large trapezoid. He then proceeded with his architectural plans to enlarge the Temple and its courtyards. Herod protected the Temple Mount with a large military fortress called Antonia, honoring Mark Antony. He protected the western entrance of Jerusalem (and, incidentally, his villa situated there) with a huge tri-towered fortress called the Citadel. The Citadel loomed over the wealthy part of town, called the Upper City. And a reference in the The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia published in 1966 by W. H. Allan, and on page 1,806 there is a description of the Herodian wall surrounding Temple Mount, with the north wall measures 913 feet, the south wall 1,050 feet, the east wall 1,515 feet, and the west wall 1,586 feet, a perimeter length of 5,064 feet. "Glory be to Him who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Sanctuary to the farthest Sanctuary, whose precincts We did bless...." (TheKoran, Sura Al-Isra� 17:1) The Temple Mount (Heb., Har Habayit; Arabic, Haram esh- Sharif, the Noble Sanctuary),is identified in both Jewish and Islamic tradition as the area of Mount Moriah where Abraham offered up his son in sacrifice (Genesis 22:1-18; the Koran, Sura Al-Saffat 37:102-110). Here King Solomon built the First Temple almost 3,000 years ago. It was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE, but 70 years later Jews returning from exile built the Second Temple on the same site. King Herod refashioned it into an edifice of great splendor. In Muslim tradition, the place is also identified as the "furthermost sanctuary" (Arabic, masjid al-aksa) from which the Prophet Mohammed, accompanied by the Angel Gabriel, made the Night Journey to the Throne of God (The Koran, Sura Al-Isra� 17:1). Following the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in the year 70, the area of the Temple was deliberately left in ruins (first by the Romans, then by the Byzantines). This desecration was not redressed until the Muslim conquest of the city by the Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab in 638. He ordered the clearing of the site and the building of a "house of prayer". Some 50 years later, the Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik built the Dome of the Rock to enshrine the outcrop of bedrock believed to be the "place of the sacrifice" on Mount Moriah. He (or his son, the Caliph al-Walid I) also built the large mosque at the southern end of the Haram, which came to be called al-Aksa after the Koranic name attributed to the entire area. The Dome of the Rock (Arabic, Qubbat al-Sakhra) is one of the architectural glories of the world, and the only early Islamic sanctuary to have survived intact. The design of the building is basically Byzantine - double octagonal ambulatories encircling the Holy Rock. A shrine and not a mosque, it is the third holiest place in Islam after the Ka�aba in Mecca and the Prophet�s Mosque in Medina. Thus the Temple Mount area of some 36.8 acreas is �controlled� and �protected� by King Herod�s measurements of 913 feet, 1,050 feet, 1,515 feet, and the west wall of 1,586 feet, a perimeter length of 5,064 feet. I was intrigued by the challenge thrown down to all by Mr Oliver Lawn (once of Bletchley Park, the famous British war time decoding centre) for someone to solve the mystery of the lettering �D. M. - O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V.� carved on the Shepherd�s Monument in the gardens of Shugborough House, Staffordshire, England. So I began by establishing their value using the standard numerical code for letters in Greek and Hebrew. Over the years I noticed that ancient architects, and later the European artists, often ensured there was a �measurement message� in their work, a message read only by those who knew the number code. Thus the lettering and inscription carved on the Shepherd�s Monument in the gardens of Shugborough House has the number values, that of �O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V� at 1721 + the Old English at �O.V.O.F.U.A.U.U.� at 1427 + D.M. at 44 and the reference for �ET IN ARCADIA EGO� is 445, And add together �O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V� at 1721 + �O.V.O.F.U.A.U.U.� at 1427 and + again �O.V.O.F.U.A.U.U.� at 1427 + D.M. at 44 and the + the reference for �ET IN ARCADIA EGO� at 445 totals 5064, and as feet is the 5064 feet, the perimeter of the holy Islamic and Jewish site of Temple Mount. So the decoding of the Shepherd�s Monument could be that of Temple Moumt, Jerusalem, the most sacred place in the world. |
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Suleyman
Senior Member Joined: 10 March 2003 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 3324 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 1:48pm | |
Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh, Brother i respect your admire to Islam with your sincere feelings to knowing that this religion is respect,maash'Allah.Brother,but there is a problem coming from the system of giving meanings to the numbers in the Qur'an... Let me tell you the problem in short words.If we give meanings to the numbers from the way which Allah and the last prophet did not teach us without knowing their objectivity it will cause some problems,for example you use numbers and put a description to the court then in the conditions and in the the time periods it will amaze the persons with saying that Qur'an is perfect;of course it is perfect;but what about a another example comes from the numbers or comes from the reality contradicts with the number's result or what about if the number's result will not be true,not happens.It will cause a serious problem that a person comes and claims that Qur'an is not an perfect book then you will find no words to say and this will be great shame for us while Allah and the last prophet including His companions that they proved and gave effort to the success of the religion and it's perfectivity....this is the problem i have tried to say,it is dangerous.May be we can find some resolutions from the Qur'an with the numbers;but it is not in the priorities and we should not take a risk,no need while we did not pass the seen way in the ayats and trying to finding the unseen parts,this is so comic....Wa Salaam... |
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defenders
Newbie Joined: 05 April 2005 Location: Bahrain Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: 05 April 2005 at 5:27am | |
Hi ALL. Not all mathematical miracle involve 19 Let's learn how SHALAT, Qur'an and DHIKR make their own chain in Mathematical Miracle. Please visit: http://numerical19.tripod.com/dhikr_and_19.htm 17 The repetition of reciting Al-Fatihah /day is paralelel to the numbers of raka'ats /day. 17 - 17. Shad = 90 Lam= 30 Alif = 1 Ta = 400 ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------- Have you ever think that 94 is the EVEN number no 47 which is the number of surah "MUHAMMAD"? What is the relation between 94 and Basmalah? ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------- Surah 33 has 73 verses. 3373 is prime 476, which is divisible by 17 187 In ONE day, Muslims recite 94 times "Allahu Akbar" in their 5 times Shalaat. ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ What is the relation of this number to shalaat? just add this number to the raka'ats / day. 148 + 17 = 165 148 is even number no 74. Surah 74 is where we can find the word "NINETEEN". 148 + 187 = 335 ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ 289 is also the Numerical Value of Ar - Rahiim (Most Merciful)-- Muslims recite ALLAHU AKBAR 94 times ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ In one day, one word repeated 33 times and 1 time / Salaat. There are 5 times of Salaat / day. Subhanallah -----187 x 33 x 5 = 30855 30855 +24420+ 47685+ 825=103785 There are 17 raka'ats* / day 103785 / 17 = 6105 6105 is divisible by 33 ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ This is so INTERESTING. 165 is divisible by 33. OR ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ 165 - 33 = 132 165 - 99 = 66 Or, ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------
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blond
Senior Member Joined: 30 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 218 |
Posted: 05 April 2005 at 7:02am | |
This is interesting.
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defenders
Newbie Joined: 05 April 2005 Location: Bahrain Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: 05 April 2005 at 8:30am | |
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Alwardah
Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 980 |
Posted: 05 April 2005 at 12:19pm | |
As Salamu Alaikum Sori I don't get this (post from Defenders) Who assigned the numerical numbers or how are numerical numbers assigned to words of Dhikr etc like the quote below
The repetition of reciting Al-Fatihah /day is paralelel to the numbers of raka'ats /day. 17 - 17. |
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�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155) |
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MOCKBA
Moderator Group Joined: 27 September 2000 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 1410 |
Posted: 05 April 2005 at 11:25pm | |
If I cut one finger I will have 19 in total... or if i lift one finger as i pronounce tashahhud during my prayer 19 remain resting in their place... should that make me re-consider studying "cryptographic" message of the Qur'aan with number 19 being it's foundation? The number of heavens mixed with the number of brothers multiplied by the number of prayers has produced quite a "colorful cocktail" in one of the responses of this thread. (Some) say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth, guessing at the unseen; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say (O Muhammad): "My Lord knows best their number; none knows them but a few." So debate not (about their number, etc.) except with the clear proof (which We have revealed to you). And consult not any of them (people of the Scripture, Jews and Christians) about (the affair of) the people of the Cave. [al-Kahf:22] Dear brothers and sisters in Islaam, especially those gifted with mathematical talents, i invite you to "decode" yourselves and spend time doing something more productive, watering plants or smth. Qur'aan is a miracle and no genuine Muslim has any doubts over that... nobody has to repeat this 19 times to get the message across. MOCKBA Edited by MOCKBA |
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