"Islam is the only right religion" topic

Dear Jack,

Dear Usmani, thank you for your very polite response.  I do indeed find the concept of the trinity to be simple.  It is a lot like the concept of a man, which I believe you are.  One man can be simultaneously a father, a son, and an uncle.  I also find the concept of a trinity to be as simple as water, which can be solid like ice, or be liquid as water is, or be light and puffy an float in air, as steam or clouds do.  I don�t find this complicated.  Just as I don�t see it complicated that one God can be Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all at the same time. As himself God is Father of us all through the fact that he created everything (a father in a way is the creator of his children).  God is Son in that he appeared for a time in human form (God is powerful enough to do that, you know).  God is Holy Spirit in that He is present with us and in us and his presence moves and inspires us (think of the English terms:  a spirit of joy, a spirit of sorrow, a spirit of love.)  All of this to me is very simple and easy to understand.  Do you find it to be so?  If yes, explain please.  If not, explain why not please.

 

You ask, dear Usmani, if: �...the people before Jesus (pbuh) knows that he is the son of God?�  So you are asking if the Isrealites or Jews know the future?  These people did not even recognize the prophets that Allah sent them, and often put these prophets to death before they even realized that they were prophets.  To this you then compare to that you recognize a man from 1400 years ago to be a prophet.  You are comparing apples with bananas with oranges.  Because the comparisons do not make sense as you have presented them, I have to say there is no answer.  I don�t find that Jesus� claims to be Son of God/Messiah are difficult to understand, nor are they so different from the situation of the Old Testament when the people of God killed their prophets.  In fact, the believers of the O.T. put their prophets to death, and in the same way the Jews put Jesus to death as well.  This is a great similarity between Jesus in the New Testament and the Israelites of the Torah.  I do not know the circumstances of Muhammad�s death.  Did the Jews put Muhammad to death, also?

 

You wrote, �Oh my God ,brother just suppose you are the King of some country and people there keep breaking the laws and you are very kind towards yours people and wish to forgave them what you will do 1) Kill your son for their mistake and forgave them or 2)you will just forgave them without killing your son.�

 

Usmani, I do not think you quite understand how sin and punishment works.  In the OT, Allah said that all sin leads to death.  He said the punishment for sin is death.  I think Muhammad agreed with Allah in this respect.  Look at the issue of the sin of adultery.  In the Holy Qur�an, is not the punishment for adultery death by stoning.

            Now that we have established that the punishment for sin is death, let us look at how sin leads to death.  Let us assume that a man�s wife leaves him and immediately marries another.  It is not unusual for some men who love their lives so much to actually be so broken heated that they cannot bring themselves to eat, let alone stop crying, especially if the woman is expecting their first child together.  For some men, a disaster like this would destroy them.  So to continue the example, after many, many, many days of not being able to eat or get himself up to go to work each day, the man could be replaced at work (the death of his job), his health could begin to fail (this is a kind of failure caused by a broken heart and is not unheard of in this world we live in), leading to his eventual death.  In this case, the woman was not guilty of adultery, as she was not married when she met her second husband.  But Jesus says that ending a marriage which Allah has brought about is a sin, and as such a marriage cannot be ended, the woman�s then remarrying is a sin, and the sin lead to death (of the husband).  Sin leads to death.

            Now that we have established the truth of the Torah in regards to the relationship of sin and death, we will consider what Jesus did.  The Holy Bible tells us that He died to save us from the power of sin and death over our lives.  Let us look at an example from daily life.  I remember being in the emergency room of a hospital not many years ago where a man had been brought in with severe burns all over his body.  It seems that his home was on fire, and he had gone back in to get his son.  He was overcome by smoke, but rescued by firemen before he died.  His son died from smoke inhalation.  And though the man�s body was so badly burned and full of pain, the reason he cried out was that his son had died.  The words that crossed his mouth through his sobs were, �Oh, how I wish it was I who had died and not my son.  Oh, my son, my son.  It should have been me!�

            So now we have established that the wages (punishment or basic outcome) of sin is death, and that it is not unusual for a father to so love his son that he would die in his son�s place, is it so great a jump in understanding to know that Jesus who is one and the same as Allah, only in human form, could take the punishment for our sin so we don�t have to?  What makes it even simpler to understand is that if we do not belong to Allah, then we default to belonging to the devil.  When we belong to the devil, and then we die, our death is not just from this earthly life, but it is death to an eternity with Allah in heaven.  Allah wills that all of us should belong to Him, but the devil demands what is his, so Jesus simply took our place in dying, and of course, as the devil cannot have God, so Jesus did not go to the abode of the devil when he died.  But he paid the price of our sins, and he offers his action to us as a gift, since to accept his action (gift of love) is to be restored to the favor of Allah.  How are we restored?  Simple, as all of Christianity is simple.  The devil�s demand for death as a final end to the Allah�s claim to us is met in the death of Jesus on the cross.  This is how and why Allah sent His son (the word of Allah in human flesh) to die for our sin on our behalf.  To me, this is very simple to understand, and it is clearly a fulfillment to the demands of the Torah for sin.

            There you have it:  a wordy yet simple explanation to how Allah loves us so much and longs for us to be His.  It is one of the reasons I love Allah so much.  I hope you can understand what I have written.  If not, feel free to question my words and I�ll do my best to expain.

 

God Bless you, Usmani,

 

Jack Catholic

Jack, I am still waiting to see you respond to brother Usmani's question to you:" suppose you are the King of some country and people there keep breaking the laws and you are very kind towards yours people and wish to forgave them what you will do 1) Kill your son for their mistake and forgave them or 2)you will just forgave them without killing your son.�
I don't see you gave any direct answer to a very valid question there.
Also, I don't agree that wage of every sin is death. What is the punishment according to the bible for a thief, who steals a cup for example vs one who steals a gold brick. What is the punishment for an adulterer vs a rapist?
What Justice means to you? If these are too challenging for you just most importantly I would like you to address Br. Usmani's question I mentioned above.
Hasan