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schmikbob
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Issa, I have some news for you and the rest of the contributors to this thread. The first item in your opening statement was about the supposed "Immaculate Conception" of Mary. It's simply amazing to me that most of the Christians out there have no idea that this has absolutely nothing to do with dogma of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. The "Immaculate Conception" has to do with Mary supposedly being free from "original sin" and nothing to do with whether or not she was a virgin at the time of Christ's birth. |
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honeto
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I think those quotes you mentioned can be seen very differently than just the way you see them, and let me explain.
"I give them eternal life" can also mean, that I brought salvation, which is eternal life. Now, all of the prophets did that, and those who listened and followed them got "eternal life" or salvation. Those who did not, got eternal condemnation.
"I and Father are one" can also be seen simply as being one with God in righteousness. And by following God's commands we are told we will be with God, on the side of Goodness.
There are more clear and straight forward verses quoted to Jesus that say: "my Father is Greater than I" or I am returning to my God and your God". These more clear statements about Jesus claiming to have a God who is Greater than him prove that there is something else is going on in the book.
I understand and accept that our minds have limits and we cannot comprehend things around us let alone God, who is the Creator of All. It is that reason that as a Muslim, one who submit to One and only God, we only say about God what God Himself has told us through His prophets.
God has guided mankind since Adam toward Himself. It is through this guidance that a true believer discovers the truth about His Creator.
God is All Knowing thus His statements and accounts do not contradict itself. If anything that is said to be His word contradicts within itself, it is a proof that either it is not from God, or its words or contents have been altered.
Simple and truthful as that!
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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IssaEl999
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And You Speak Of Intelligent Framework. ..........
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El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) .
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schmikbob
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Issa, what are you referring to with "and You Speak Of Intelligent Framework. .........."
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KelvinC
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I heard this news which mentions the issue about male circumcision. When we talk about circumcision it's a surgical procedure that is done when the child started to reach the right age. But, in the news that I've heard they mentioned that Lloyd Schofield, a San Francisco resident, has productively gathered 7,700 legitimate signatures in his campaign to legally ban male circumcision. It was verified by election administrators that his suggestion will be on the city's Nov ballot. However, he is being opposed by United States Representative Brad Sherman (D-Calif.), who is suggesting a bill, referred to as the Religious and Parental Rights Defense Act of 2011, which seeks to prevent San Francisco and other municipalities from prohibiting circumcision. I read this here: San Francisco to vote on circumcision issue, newstype.com
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honeto
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Bunter,
care to share your views about the following, how do you take them?
2 Corinthians 11:31Common English Bible (CEB) 31 "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, ..." Jesus is quoted to have said:
John 14:28
" ........because the Father is greater than me."
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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bunter
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For Hasan - if one wants to appreciate how the trinity comes about you might care to examine.
Who does the whole of Scripture proclaim to be God? Ephesians 4:6 proclaims the Father to be God. Titus 2:13; John 1:1,14; 20:28 proclaim the Son to be God. Acts 5:3-4 proclaims the Holy Spirit to be God. And of course Deuteronomy 4:35 proclaims God to be the one, true God. It is not really about understaning it but about what the scripture says and of course what you understand a person, in this ace God implies |
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honeto
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To Bunter,
that's my point: contents of the same book contradict each other. A proof that in it's such conflicting state it cannot be claimed to be pure word of God. If it was pure word of God, it would not do so rather it will be in absolute agreement within itself.
Hasan Edited by honeto - 13 July 2011 at 9:48am |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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