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Edited by Saved - 06 November 2016 at 5:48pm |
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Syed_z: I actually see it the other way around. That is this thread is making a false statement about the gospel, but I explained to you how the law hadn't been abolished. Instead of going off topic by questioning my motives and speaking for others instead of yourself alone, why don't you show the proof that I said something untrue or made a false claim. Just because a claim is made that you don't agree with doesn't make it false. All I said is the Virgin Birth of Jesus is original only to the gospel along with the reason. I looked for the reason in the Quran and couldn't find why he had to have been born of a virgin. What is the reason for Jesus' virgin birth in the Quran, and why does this appear to offend you? Keep in mind this is supposed to be an open debate. I am learning from your reactions to my comments. Do you want to just have a one sided discussion or debate only? PBUY, Al Edited by Saved - 06 November 2016 at 2:01pm |
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Saved, Again You made a claim from the Quran that you did not provide a proof for. This makes us ask question whether you are here to truly learn about Islam or contradict Islam? The Quran does explain why Jesus, son of Mary (alaihi Salaam) was born of a Blessed Virgin Mary and I can show you but I want you to show me because you just made a false claim against the Quran! Thats Sad.... |
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As for the virgin birth of Jesus, that information was borrowed from the gospel of Matthew; there is no other common or mutual source of that original message but from the uncorrupted gospel. The gospel also gives the reason for His virgin birth, but the Quran gives no reason as to why Jesus had to have been born of a virgin. The law was never abolished; it was fulfilled by Jesus, and through Him, we fulfill the law also; without Him, instead of fulfilling the law, we will be judged by the law! PBUY, Al Edited by Saved - 31 October 2016 at 1:02pm |
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Every once in a while someone wonders how they can look like they know something and have compiled information without doing the real work, so they hit answering-christianity.com, or some similar and find exactly what they were looking for. Or so they think. Sorry, I couldn't help but comment.
Paul was a missionary; his job was to convert Gentiles,
pagans, idol worshippers, w/e to Christianity, not to make Jews out of them. Muhammad didn't make Jews out of
Arabs either.
Jesus actually said the Sabbath was created for man, not man
for the Sabbath. In its context, which is more than three (not in the verse) words, Jesus was
refuting the Scribes and Pharisees for their criticism of the disciples who
weren�t fasting on the Sabbath, were picking corn on the Sabbath, and His
curing a boy with palsy on the Sabbath. According to the Pharisees and scribes
all this was unlawful yet Jesus did and allowed His disciples to do these
things on the Sabbath. How does that
interpret to �Keep the Sabbath�? The same as your reference to Luke 2:21. Jesus was 8 days
old and circumcised. Was this by His own orders? What child has authority to
say or do anything about it at 8 days old? This is not a command of Jesus but a
record to show He was circumcised, as were all Jews according to the law given
Moses.
Paul merely brought out the logic. If you are circumcised yet
do not follow the law what good is it to you? If circumcision was the only way
to heaven then every American soldier will be there. Paul cautioned his people more about
UNcircumcising themselves through their other sins. See how context makes a difference?
This is a total misrepresentation. Wow, if anyone screwed up
the Quran like this you�d be all over them. This is the corruption of the Bible
right here. It�s called Muslim manipulation. The Quran warns of this, Muslims think it was way back when. It still happens. Where is the word baptized used in this passage
and in what translation? None. There is no reference to baptism here at all.
What does it make reference to? Rebirth. Ye must be born again. By the logic
you propose we were all baptized when our mother�s water broke. The point Jesus
was making was a spiritual awakening, a rejuvenation of the mind by the Holy Spirit
of God.
At least Paul knew what Jesus was talking about. Romans 12:2
Paul says; And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the
renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and
perfect, will of God.
Please do me a favor and read 2 Chronicles 7:12 � 16 and tell me where/how it says that. Middle of verse 14 it says �Then I will hear from Heaven� It ends with �My eyes and my heart will be there perpetually. Who are Gods eyes? There are other places in the OT where it speaks of angels in the temples. It would seem by some of the descriptions that these angels were visable.
Paul must have been talking about God being in heaven, kinda
like God said he was in 7:14.
LOL, Paul says; � Be
ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath� No idea how you
get the �as well as� to Proverbs. Paul didn�t write Proverbs�
The Law of Mosheh , Musa , Moses says ; Remember the Sabbath
and keep it holy in Exodus 20 ; 8 , Saul , Shaool , Paul
says ;Don't judge a man who does not keep the Sabbath in Romans 14 ; 5 And
Colossians 2 ; 16 , This is just reiterated goop.
Now how does this statement made by Paul about a weak
Christian have anything to do with some unfounded declaration that you can eat
anything?
Mark 1; 9 , And I Quote ' And it came to pass in those days
, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was Baptized of John in Jordan .
John 1 ; 33 , And I Quote ; And I knew him not ; but he that
sent me To Baptize with water , the same said unto me , Upon whom thou shalt
see the Spirit descending and remaining on him , the same is he which baptizeth
with the Holy Ghost . Take note, Baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. Refer back to the conversation Jesus had with
Nicodemus. Muslims know nothing of this, nor do they understand. If anything,
you use it against yourself. Change the �and I quote� to �and I copy/paste� and you could at least redeem yourself by letting people know you didn�t put this thing together yourself. |
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I'm a Gentile.
Numb. 6:24-26 |
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Caringheart, I hope this is not how you conclude on issues that are important, by reading parts only. This is what the hate group do because they do know that is the only way to find problems, by reading incomplete sentences and drawing their meanings. I expect of you more than that my friend as I hear from you so far that you want to learn. I will help you with this as it is my duty to correct when I see a wrong. The part of the Quranic quote you pasted has to be read complete in order to be benefited. 4:89 (Y. Ali) They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- 4:90 (Y. Ali) Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Thus, reading complete makes things clear I hope :) Ramadan, Alhumdolillah (Praise God) is going great, it is going so fast, unbelievable, only ten more days. It feels like yesterday that we started the month, and here we are in the last ten days. May God Almighty accept our efforts and forgive the mistakes we make, Ameen. Peace, Hasan |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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Yes, that was written by me. Friendship, I need you, if you could, to remind me of what book? If I were to try and find your old post to me on this computer it would take me half a day. Could you private message the name of it to me, then it will not be lost. Thanks. |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Hasan, from the Qur'an... I get my information from the Qur'an. I am reading it. 'slay them [the disbelievers] where ye find them' is a pretty good paraphrase. and surah 4:89 regarding the passage from the Bible; I did once struggle with this passage, but as I have come to know God's Word in its entirety and fullness, as I have drawn closer to Him, understanding has come. Jesus was making a simple statement of fact, that those who believe will not get along with those who disbelieve. The fact of Jesus would cause divisions even amongst ones own families. Is Ramadan over now? If so, I hope it was fruitful for you. Salaam, Caringheart |
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