nico

Ok show me quotes from accredited sources to support this assertion that the Taliban didn't want it. Secondly the US had enough money and power to sway the Taliban, and Pakistan to get their way. So I don't see why the US would invade Afghanistan soley on the premise of a pipeline, its absolutely ridiculous as the US had much greater weapons ($$$) available to get the Taliban to get on board, anyone can be bought and the Taliban showed that when they accepted US aid. I don't like the US all that much either, but I don't like it when people start making these base conspiracy theories with no evidence to actually back them up. Also to show how much YOU DON'T KNOW:

During the mid-1990s, Unocal had pursued a possible natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan's Dauletabad-Donmez gas basin via Afghanistan to Pakistan, but pulled out after the U.S. missile strikes against Afghanistan in August 1998. The Afghan government under President Karzai has tried to revive the Trans-Afghan Pipeline (TAP) plan, with periodic talks held between the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan on the issue, but little progress appears to have been made as of early June 2004 (despite the signature on December 9, 2003, of a protocol on the pipeline by the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan)...Given the obstacles to development of a natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan, it seems unlikely that such an idea will make any progress in the near future, and no major Western companies have expressed interest in reviving the project.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan.html

Safe itself from what. what is it that the taliban did?

Save itself from itself,the US is the preeminent military power on the Earth and destroyed the Taliban regime in what? two months. It is accepted by even the Pakistani's that OBL was at the time in Afghanistan, the US had intel. to suggest he was in Afghanistan and there was no other country on Earth which he could go to. So in order for you to convince me otherwise where else was he? The US was wholly justified in attacking the Taliban regime as it (even if Osama wasn't there) supported the Al Qaeda network by allowing its camps to be on its territory without any opposition from the gov't. So please tell me how you can even start to compare the war in Afghanistan with that in Iraq.

No doubt, but that is not answering my question, even the best of liars can be nice people. So instead of shedding light on this irrelevancy, next time answer my question.

I do have a complex...not liking ppl who don't know what they are talking about...alas you.

You are so freaking ignorant I want to barf on you...

http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/library/wonderful/afghani stan.php

What ever happened to that virtous Taliban regime you speak of? Oh yes it was the one cutting off heads in Stadiums, how utterly humane.

Do you know the term ad nauseum? Well my friend you are a classic example, just because you say it 20x doesn't make it any more true. The modus operandi of the Taliban was simple, if you pay them enough they would do it, so I am not even close to buying this ridiculousness of the pipeline being the causis belli of the war, that isn't to say it was a alterior motive but it was not the motive itself.

This isn't the old war where national security threats like North Korea exist, this is a new world where the threats to US security is Globalized. You have to get out of the Europeanized concept of threat, which is a large economy, standing army, and weaponry. What threatens the US today is poverty (something the US should do something to end), it is ignorance, it is through the internet, it the ultimate threat the threat of ideas. The threat to the US is one of Muslims from all around the world coming to Afghanistan to train to fight against the US in a international Jihad, are you suggesting that the US just let those camps keep on going with Taliban support? Are you suggesting that the US let the Taliban protect and harbour OBL (who in 1998 actually decleared war on the US) without any provocation? If you do, then you are not worth talking to as you are not rational. The war in Iraq was a different story, at least I am intelligent enough to distinguish btwn these actions.

My friend if anything you MUST be talking to the mirror, I never called you an idiot you talk about freudian slips...I think you are realizing that you may very well be what you say you are.

we even heard rumors that he hid here in Denmark, and had been seen by several people lol. he could have been anywhere, and that is completely off the point.

HA! That was SOO not funny, your so called "wit" is LACKING. He couldn't have been anywhere as he was not wanted by anyone, Saudi Arabia took away his citizenship, he was kicked out of Sudan, his only refuge was Afghanistan or possibly the tribal regions of Pakistan which supported the Pashtun Taliban. Pakistan recognized this, are they liars too? All major intelligence agencies agreed that he was in that region at the time, and he was even spotted there and his videos after the 9/11 attacks suggested he was still there. So instead of wasting my time with extraordinarily non-funny jokes or so called "wit" start making sense.

Show me actual evidence of cluster bombs being targeted at civilians, I am not saying it didn't happen but show me the evidence bc I cannot take of all ppl your word for it as you obviously are not objective.

And the ad nauseum keeps on going, moving on from that ridiculousness. The Taliban destroyed the crop well before the 2001 invasion I believe it was in 2000. Even lets assume that the US invaded right after the crop was destroyed, what did the Taliban offer the farmers who had their crop destroyed well before 2001 in the initial stages? I doubt anything more then a Qu'ran verse. Its so perversely North Korean.

What were those plans? It obviously didn't include basic human rights. Using your logic Stalin was a God, he did great things for the Soviet Union but at what cost? If you think the Taliban was a virtous alternative then you are demented.

The US sure as hell gave them aid, don't give me that load.

could you explain how they are doing this, because we havent seen it at all. what we have seen is a few bags of rice handed out, and the reemerging of opium on an ever larger scale than ever before.

Its a long process, but over what $30 billion in aid or so for rebuilding the country. It won't be done overnight and its not only the US which is there other nations are also helping. The US doesn't want another failed state in Afghanistan that is not in her interest or the Taliban will just come back into power. The US wants to create a capitalist economy (what Americans consider freedom) and that means that those farmers will eventually move to the cities and get industrial jobs it will take decades but if the US has its way then Afghanistan may be a very different country in 30 years time. The US has a duty now to improve the lives of those people, and she has more in the way of resources to get it done. What I hope is that Afghanistan doesn't become a Americanized state, I hope it remains Afghani, that Islam does play a role in the state as it is the only thing keeping the country together, and that real democracy can emerge. But if you had your way, today people would be in a stadium watching beheadings. About Opium, what is more moral stopping the crop of having farmers starve?

Well ur vain attempts at propaganda have been noted, none of those pictures had anything in the way of context. Sorry but showing me those pictures could have been taken any time btwn 1979 and today. Secondly the US hasn't created the refugee problem so why show it? The picture of the building what building was it? I could be a legitmate military target for all I know, so the only think here that passing around a disease is you.

More brutal then the 3 million dead in the Congo? More brutal then what the Taliban did with innocent people who broke their "Islamic laws"? More brutal then the Russian invasion of Chechnya? That isn't to say that war isn't brutal, but on a scale of brutality the US doesn't come close to the real brutality that we see in other parts of the world. One would rather be attacked by the US then most other nations on this Earth sadly enough.

You of ALL people shant be talking, you KNOW nothing, and you SPEAK nothing your entire post was a logical fallacy.

Point is that Washington didn't attack the state of Afghanistan it attacked a rogue political force in the country...think about it.

Again pictures without context mean nothing to me, I will quote you OH hypocritius Maximus:

" have long ago accepted that all western media distorts the agenda beyond reckognition. But dont take my word for it, go and see for yourself."

Indeed you are NO different.

Yes I don't deny distortion happens but which media outlet in this world doesn't distort? Its the human condition live with it.

Al Qaeda is pretty much gone, what is left is something more sinister a much more advanced group of Muslims who don't need to meet up, talk to each other they get their camps on the net, they get their indoctrination on the net. The US military is the most powerful on Earth, but this isn't a military war anymore its a war of ideas of technology, and of people. You are a hypocrite because you rightfully criticize the US for creating the monster but object when she tries to destroy it? Seems pretty irrational to me. The War in Iraq had nothing to do with the US war against Al Q I agree but Afghanistan surely did.

Well then next time use word check, or at least google it.

Indeed they are I never doubted that did I? But innocents die in war don't they? There are wars which have to be fought in this world sadly and people will die. Do you want me to lie to you?

I already explained to you how, secondly Al Qaeda decleared war on the US in 1998 so it was a legitimate target, and all those who supported the "rogue political force" are also liable for attack. So don't waste my time with your crying spells...

im well aware, i have experienced my share.

Sure as hell doesn't seem like you have, you have a very distorted view of war obviously.

And no thats not what im saying, just read what i said again, as many times as you need. You are comparing apples and oranges. or rather. you are comparing a handgun to a 50pound hautzwitzer cannon.

Sorry the problem doesn't lie with me, it must your lack of comprehension and your obvious emotional state.

I agree the US has changed I don't disagree but in September 2001 the US had EVERY right to do what it did.

Y do you assume I supported the Iraq war? Don't put ur inferior words in my mouth thank you.

Link it then, lets see this pipeline. Oh yes I forgot it doesn't exist...

I already answered this questions, this comprises the VAST majority of your post. Its getting boring don't you have anything interesting to say?

no you dont, you are absolutely clueless.

LMFAO...ok there captian crybaby.

Excuse me...was the Taliban the wish of the ppl? Where was the election? Or was it in 1996 they invaded Kabul and said they were the leaders of the country and became a dicatorship?

i dont where did you get this idea from?

Read your posts and hear ur tone...

As a signatory of the UN charter Afghanistan can lose its soverignty if the UN SC decides as such and it did. So no you have no argument here, secondly those who had the soverign right over the land was not the Taliban it was the NA and they supported the invasion so that ridiculously ignorant argument is shot to sh*t.

no it was the other way around, and here is what really happened. People where so fed up with being attacked by nomad tribes and warmongers. wemen where tired of being raped, and tired of having their children stolen by human traders. They where sick and tired of a givernment more interrested in own gain at the expense of all. and that is what gave rise to the taliban. How do i know? we where there :)

Then when the US came into Kabul the ppl were cheering as well...seems the Taliban wasn't all that great either.

Sorry but I PROVED your ignorance you have not done the same with me...wallow, wallow.