nico

yes because groups like ISRA was only there for fun. Thats clear. I mean just loo up the projects, honestly i dont think youre worth educating, as you havent even found the pipeline on your own. all you can do apparently is utter denial. but a public tool like google, could have gotten you really far. I will help you a bit though. there is coal in example in afghanistan.

Its so perversely North Korean.

Afghnistan is comparable to north korea`? how? 

What were those plans? It obviously didn't include basic human rights. Using your logic Stalin was a God, he did great things for the Soviet Union but at what cost?

Those plans as we experienced them, was first. ensure stability by pressing the war tribes out in the outer spheres of the region, start educating people. They started out with the boys because those they could put to work emediately. Next would have been the girls, but they never got that far. Ofcourse the western press who never actually spoke to them, concluded something else. There is a lot of things, do you want to know all the projects in details, because that would requite qiute a bit of work getting the papers from isra and them write them in here. and honestly, i dont think youre worth it. But youre good for a laugh.

If you think the Taliban was a virtous alternative then you are demented.

I never said it was good. i said it was better. So people who dont eat your goop is ddemented now, is that it?

The US sure as hell gave them aid, don't give me that load.

Not the aid they needed. They needed experience with building up a country, and it was the only thing they ever really asked for. And we ourself are guilty of doing nothing. They wanted to do good, but the indifference of good men, made it a flawed project eventually.

Its a long process, but over what $30 billion in aid or so for rebuilding the country. It won't be done overnight and its not only the US which is there other nations are also helping. The US doesn't want another failed state in Afghanistan that is not in her interest or the Taliban will just come back into power.

I dont know what part it is you dont understand. i do work for an organistaion who was in the middle of it, and will be again. Us is not offering anything better. they are forcing their system down on them, no better than taliban.

The US wants to create a capitalist economy (what Americans consider freedom)

yes but many of us dont.

and that means that those farmers will eventually move to the cities and get industrial jobs it will take decades but if the US has its way then Afghanistan may be a very different country in 30 years time.

If US has its way? how about if the afghanis had their way. howabout that? i mean in their own country or is that asking too much?

The US has a duty now to improve the lives of those people, and she has more in the way of resources to get it done. What I hope is that Afghanistan doesn't become a Americanized state, I hope it remains Afghani, that Islam does play a role in the state as it is the only thing keeping the country together, and that real democracy can emerge.

Im happy that you actually are capable of making sense. :)

But if you had your way, today people would be in a stadium watching beheadings. About Opium, what is more moral stopping the crop of having farmers starve?

Uhm...do you know what opium is and what its used for? do you know who takes off most of their goods? Taleban was doing US a favour, although its wasnt their goal, just a side effect. Farmers where told to grow food to the country as they rightly should.

Well ur vain attempts at propaganda have been noted, none of those pictures had anything in the way of context. Sorry but showing me those pictures could have been taken any time btwn 1979 and today.

Rightclick on them, look at the source, and then go follow the little white rabbit to its hole.

Secondly the US hasn't created the refugee problem so why show it?

look at the page they are from, and its one of many. 

The picture of the building what building was it? I could be a legitmate military target for all I know, so the only think here that passing around a disease is you.

yes but you dont know. sor for all you know it could be illigemate, and its hardly the point. You claimed civilians where not victimised greatly. civil structures blown to rubblle because OBL was hiding in a cave. wheres the connection betwen sendeing people in refuge, and blowing up their houses, and looking for OBL and his "rogue" political organisation in caves? 

More brutal then the 3 million dead in the Congo?

Where is the connection. no and it wasnt as brutal as vietnam, or world war one and 2. But less can be brutal aswell.

More brutal then what the Taliban did with innocent people who broke their "Islamic laws"?

If you brake the law, youre not innocent are you?

More brutal then the Russian invasion of Chechnya? That isn't to say that war isn't brutal, but on a scale of brutality the US doesn't come close to the real brutality that we see in other parts of the world. One would rather be attacked by the US then most other nations on this Earth sadly enough.

Ok, whatever you say.  

You of ALL people shant be talking, you KNOW nothing, and you SPEAK nothing your entire post was a logical fallacy.

You hgave done a lot of talking but proven nothing at all, but taht you have an oppinion to wich you are entitled. For me, i would rather trut MY OWN EYES AND EARS, and those close freinds who was in the front row to the peacefull invasion by the US army, as you seem to want to make it. 

Again pictures without context mean nothing to me, I will quote you OH hypocritius Maximus:

Oh but they had a context. They where in the context of what i was writing.

Indeed you are NO different.

So you where in fact there? you talked to the taliban? if not, did you ahve any freinds close to you who where? in that case, its another deal. 

Yes I don't deny distortion happens but which media outlet in this world doesn't distort? Its the human condition live with it.

agreed fully. and this is why i wodner why you put forth your ideas as gospel truth, allthough knowing you got it from that excact media.

Al Qaeda is pretty much gone, what is left is something more sinister a much more advanced group of Muslims who don't need to meet up, talk to each other they get their camps on the net, they get their indoctrination on the net.

Yes ihave heard that the net is the new ghost to wich we must declare war. I honestly thought it was rumours, that noone could be so stupid, but i guess there is always room for surprice. 

The US military is the most powerful on Earth, but this isn't a military war anymore its a war of ideas of technology, and of people. You are a hypocrite because you rightfully criticize the US for creating the monster but object when she tries to destroy it?

Yes becasue i dont belive that it was the intention. But to each their own.

Seems pretty irrational to me. The War in Iraq had nothing to do with the US war against Al Q I agree but Afghanistan surely did.

Fair play. You are free to belive so, im not convinced. 

Well then next time use word check, or at least google it.

When you go for the man rather than the ball, you have lost the game. As you have answered to the post that must mean that you did understand what was being said and only wanted to use the lowest kind of amunition avaible in any debate.

Indeed they are I never doubted that did I? But innocents die in war don't they? There are wars which have to be fought in this world sadly and people will die. Do you want me to lie to you?

No not at all, just fight amongst youself and keep us out of it. We have the right to host any guest we may seem fit. Just like us could host a varaity of NAZIS after WW2, allthough it pissed of most of europe at the time.

I already explained to you how, secondly Al Qaeda decleared war on the US in 1998 so it was a legitimate target, and all those who supported the "rogue political force" are also liable for attack. So don't waste my time with your crying spells...

So us is is by that definition a legal target right`? For anyone whom get hit over the head by the bombs of liberty? then why are they crying about it? gheeez..

Sure as hell doesn't seem like you have, you have a very distorted view of war obviously.

yes caring for human life is distorted. i know. IM sorry, my bad, i will try to develope a good rational heart of stone, and forget the children  i have seen blown to pieces with their intestines splattered all over the streets. I will try to forget about the "humanitarian" jobs the US forces did in serbia, and kosovo etc. You have an oppinion about war based on what? have you ever experienced it?   

Sorry the problem doesn't lie with me, it must your lack of comprehension and your obvious emotional state.

And he hit the man, strike 3. youre out! this is not an arguement.

I agree the US has changed I don't disagree but in September 2001 the US had EVERY right to do what it did.

because?

Y do you assume I supported the Iraq war? Don't put ur inferior words in my mouth thank you.

I couldnt for the barf, you just told me that. Im putting nothing in your mouth, im takng a swing at the reliability of the source you where using as truth.

Link it then, lets see this pipeline. Oh yes I forgot it doesn't exist...

oh yeah? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2608713.stm not the date. so this is the western view on it, there is no end to all the good this pipeline will do for the peple of afghanistan.

here is reality however.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/oil.html

Please not that the new leader of afghanistan was a former unocal consultant. But im mean, i shouldnt let stuff like that worry me, right?

So now that w know that you are indeed completely oblivious, and do not do your homework. should we stop here? I have personal photos of the pipeline construction that you could see, but i take it that those random images proofs nothing.

I already answered this questions, this comprises the VAST majority of your post. Its getting boring don't you have anything interesting to say?

actually you havent. you have put forth your personal oppinion, and at the same time shown that you are not up to date with the most basic things of this conflict. so..likewise 

LMFAO...ok there captian crybaby.

what is a captian?

Excuse me...was the Taliban the wish of the ppl?

not everybody, the northern alliance didnt like them much.

Where was the election? Or was it in 1996 they invaded Kabul and said they were the leaders of the country and became a dicatorship?

Hardly, the plan was to give over the power of government to the people under normal sunni islamic rules. I do not agree with their view on islamic law, but a lot of people from the area does. 

Read your posts and hear ur tone...

My tone? do you read your own posts?

As a signatory of the UN charter Afghanistan can lose its soverignty if the UN SC decides as such and it did.

Who are they to dictate countrys, as they are a gathering not representing all countrys. The same way UN does not reckognise all countrys, not all countrys reckognice UN, BUT WILL BE FORCED TO!

So no you have no argument here,

look above and realise that UN is not the epitha of all that is good and right to everybody.

secondly those who had the soverign right over the land was not the Taliban it was the NA and they supported the invasion so that ridiculously ignorant argument is shot to sh*t.

Not its not, the NA was terrorising the people, robbing, stealing, plundering. I know that the west have a history of supporting such regimes on a large scale.  

Then when the US came into Kabul the ppl were cheering as well...seems the Taliban wasn't all that great either.

Oh you mean like the cherring people of Iraq. Those 50 people gathered at a square, then shot from different angles so it looks as if the whole Iraq was praising its liberators? Yes im well aware of how western media manipulate images to fit the current political agenda. If it takes nothing more to impress you. well. good for you.

Sorry but I PROVED your ignorance

where excactly is it that you belive you h ave done so. with the pipeline LOL?

you have not done the same with me...wallow, wallow.

actually i have. nudge nudge. And the point you still havent got apparently. we where right in the middle of the action. You where left with western media coverage. So..belvie what you want to. And now lets stop this, youre a making more of a fool of yourself than you have to.

Peace

Noah