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Peace Noa

Not all Talebans views or practices are truely close to the Sharia.
But th fact that the U.S. needed the talibans to get there oil pipes out there
and made a deal to train OBL and his people is clear how more cruel the
Russians are when it comes to wars.
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In case anymore proof was required about this being a war against Islam.

Prime Minister Blair's Speech

Published: July 16, 2005

The following is extracts of the text of the speech delivered by Prime Minister Tony Blair on Saturday, July 16, 2005.

"What we are confronting here is an evil ideology.....This is the battle that must be won, a battle not just about the terrorist methods but their views. Not just their barbaric acts, but their barbaric ideas. Not only what they do but what they think and the thinking they would impose on others."

"Neither is it true that they have no demands. They do. It is just that no sane person would negotiate on them. "

"They demand the elimination of Israel; the withdrawal of all westerners from Muslim countries, irrespective of the wishes of people and Government; the establishment of effectively Taleban states and Sharia law in the Arab world en route to one Caliphate of all Muslim nations."

All Muslims wish to see the liberation of ALL of Palestine (not just the west Bank & Gaza), see the expulsion of the western occupation, the establishment of Sharia law and a single Islamic leadership (Caliphate) for all the Muslims.

Thanks to thse kind of comments, it helps Muslims to see even clearer than before that this indeed is a war to suppress Islam and confine it to the worships in a new religion called "Moderate Islam".



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Salam abujamal

The war was on Islam all along, they just lied about it from the start, its about IRAN now
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Originally posted by b95000 b95000 wrote:

The war on terror is not a war against Islam - it's
actually a war to free Islam from a death cult that plagues her.


You keep rejecting Abraham (PBUH) over and over again, the rest of the
religions after Jesus (PBUH) became sects when they also rejected
Abraham (PBUH), yet ABRAHAM (PBUH) is the founder of all 3 faiths for
the one same and true God.

Why did some deny that ISlam is not from ALLAH, the same ALLAH of
Abraham (PBUH), because they believe its the religion of the Arabs or
Africans, So if thats what you think then did ALLAH create everything or
did you find another God, every sect broken from Islam is a death cult.,
"Moses"(PBUH) said it and "Jesus" (PBUH) said it.

So prove that islam is a death cult, when Catholicism has nothing to do
with the Gospels of Jesus (PBUH)...

Whos Gospel?
Quote [6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him
that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and
would pervert the gospel of Christ.

[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
accursed.

[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for
if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
[11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me
is not after man.
[12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the
revelation of Jesus Christ.
[13] For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'
religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and
wasted it:
[14] And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own
nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my
fathers.

Matt.15

[2] Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they
wash not their hands when they eat bread.
[3] But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the
commandment of God by your tradition?



Qur'an
Quote [3.95] Say: Allah has spoken the truth, therefore follow the
religion of Ibrahim, the upright one; and he was not one of the
polytheists.
[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until
you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true)
guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has
come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.
[2.130] And who forsakes the religion of Ibrahim but he who makes
himself a fool, and most certainly We chose him in this world, and in the
hereafter he is most surely among the righteous.
[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right
course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he
was not one of the polytheists.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion
should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no
hostility except against the oppressors.

[3.83] Is it then other than Allah's religion that they seek (to follow), and
to Him submits whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or
unwillingly, and to Him shall they be returned.

[ 5:71-72]"'O, People of the Book(bible)! Ye have no ground to stand upon
unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has
come to you from your Lord.' It is the revelation that cometh to thee from
thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and
blasphemy ... those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (Scriptures), and the Sabaeans and the Christians - any who
believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, - on them
shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
So if you want to practice your religion right worship ALLAH
alone.

The idea that God, his son or 3 metaphoric ideas died in order to take the
blame for you because you sinned is pure hypocrisy., and to miss that
KKK and how they continued to do it using Jesus (PBUH) too as a escape
route.

Does this look like a living cult to you, death mass and symbals of death?
everyone supersticious grabbed on to a cross for good luck and
protection,




I am sure you went to see that "snuff" movie "PASSION OF CHRIST" TO, bet
it only showed your favorite parts of the Gospel.

look at this one, he droped the nail to let a dove eat of his bloody hands
before DEATH approaches.
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What in the world is your agenda Jibreel - to demean a major world Faith?  The sacrifices of the Prophet Jesus (PBUH) should not rile you up so much...

What next Jibreel, will you roll out your Nazi barbs?

I've only ever said that there is a death cult that is plaguing (the edges of) Islam.  It is at the least incumbent upon Islam to address the problem.  This would independent of anything else happening.  That particular, has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the veracity of Islam.  Fortunately people like the Sunnis Scholars in Britain and Muslim Scholars in the US issuing a fatwa against terrorism are answering the call. 

What are you going to call them, Jibreel?
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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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recent moves to rename the "war on terror" to "war on extremism" which is virtually saying War on Islam. Blair's definition of who falls into this actually covers all Muslims as they all are unanimous on what Islam says on the issues he raised.
 
What we are confronting here is an evil ideology. ... it is a global struggle and it is a battle of ideas, hearts and minds, both within Islam and outside it.

Neither is it true that they have no demands. They do. It is just that no sane person would negotiate on them. They demand the elimination of Israel; the withdrawal of all westerners from Muslim countries, irrespective of the wishes of people and Government; the establishment of effectively Taleban states and Sharia law in the Arab world en route to one Caliphate of all Muslim nations.

The 20th century showed how powerful political ideologies could be. This is a religious ideology, a strain within the world-wide religion of Islam....Those who kill in its name believe genuinely that in doing it, they do God�s work; they go to paradise.

The creation of Israel is a crime and it has to be erased....

Just as great is their hatred for so-called apostate Governments in Muslim countries...

At last year�s Party Conference I talked about this ideology in these terms:

Its roots are not superficial but deep, in the madrassehs of Pakistan, in the extreme forms of Wahabi doctrine in Saudi Arabia, in the former training camps of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan; in the cauldron of Chechnya; in parts of the politics of most countries of the Middle East and many in Asia; in the extremist minority that now in every European city preach hatred of the West and our way of life. This is what we are up against. It cannot be beaten except by confronting it, symptoms and causes, head-on. Without compromise and without delusion.

We must be clear about how we win this struggle. We should take what security measures we can. But let us not kid ourselves. In the end, it is by the power of argument, debate, true religious faith and true legitimate politics that we will defeat this threat. That means not just arguing against their terrorism but their politics and their perversion of religious faith. It means exposing as the rubbish it is, the propaganda about America and its allies wanting to punish Muslims or eradicate Islam. 

 Prime Minister Blair's Speech

Published: July 16, 2005

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Originally posted by b95000 b95000 wrote:

What in the world is your agenda Jibreel - to demean a
major world
Faith?� The sacrifices of the Prophet Jesus (PBUH) should not rile
you up so much...

What next Jibreel, will you roll out your Nazi barbs?

I've only ever said that there is a death cult that is plaguing (the
edges of) Islam.�

Fortunately people like the Sunnis Scholars in Britain and Muslim
Scholars in the US issuing a fatwa against terrorism are answering the
call.�

What are you going to call them, Jibreel?


Ah, but i never said all Christians believe these pagan superstitions which
where invented after Jesus (PBUH) told them not to fallow., i said only
those who believe in Paul's Gospel do., and someone else stated that
Paul is a phony not me., maybe you have to deal with him, i support
believers.

Or is your post seeking arouse another totalitarian nation to help you
invent a reason to BLAME others again for the things your agenda of
coming here.

In the other hand, the real "death" cult AKA crusades is a sect which lies
that Jesus (PBUH) is ALLAH and dies, and they keep his bloody image on
the cross to tesify that they would never of believed in him until his death
t and only to convince them that he was mortal to contradict there
mystery.,   And they are out to murder other people who they have a faith
built on a blood line they claim Jesus (PBUH) was from and use a bias and
racial intolerant excuse, like the way they murdered ARAB jews, Christians
and Muslims in spain.


Real christians pray to God like Jesus (PBUH) told them too

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Originally posted by abujamal abujamal wrote:

recent moves to rename the "war on terror" to "war
on extremism" which is virtually saying War on Islam. Blair's definition of
who falls into this actually covers all�Muslims as they all are unanimous
on what Islam says on the issues he raised.Prime Minister Blair's Speech


What political Mambo Jumbo

Blair knows that his career depends on making people financially happy in
his country, as much as anyone else who has money and supports him no
matter how he gets it.,

Lets not forget the U.K. backed Zionism from the start but made a
peaceful deal with Israelis to not exceed the land which they broke., so
are they also responsible for all these problems there big Brother the u.S.
is carrying out now?

So the U.K. government knows more about the problem then most
americans who admit they have no contact with Bush but from whatever
the media tells them,
   And which in the past, the media openly demonstrated to americans
what types of propaganda take place during wars, and the lessons to not
ever believe what you see or hear on T.V., and they even pointed the
finger at Nixon as a example of the types of corruption and as well as the
Reagan Administration and when tax payers money was embezzling with
K.North and while Supplying Sadam WMOD to attack Iran, and in which
today the same people are aback in office.

Dick Chaeny is your next president, wether you will like it or not is the
new messages to AMERICA's PEOPLE.






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