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Quote abujamal Replybullet Topic: War on Islam
    Posted: 27 July 2005 at 10:45am
It's common now for Blair, Bush and others to be speaking of their war against Islam in more accurate terms such as war of ideas like Blair said in his press briefing yesterday.

But they still lack the courage to be honest and say that is a war against a rival ideology, Islam, as was the case with Communism during the cold war. The reason being that this would gaurantee their failure as Muslims would firmly take their stance on the side of their ideology.

So they have taken the deceptive approach of reforming Islam from within through the using their agents from within the Muslims claiming that they want to take back Islam from the "Extremists" and give it back to the "Moderates". And like Blair has said several times now that this is not a campaign to suppress Islam and his proof is that they allow the Muslims to worship freely.

But this actually proves the point that this IS a campaign to suppress Islam because they only accept the spiritual side of Islam and the rest of it is dismissed as "extremism" by attempts to secualrize Islam by detaching the political side from it.

Islam is complete and provides solutions for all of life's issues along with a system by which these solutions are implemented, the belief is preserved and the ideology of Islam is spread to the world. The Messenger (saw) was not a hermit who just hibernated in the mosque. He (saw) established the Islamic State, was it's Head, implemented the ahkam (laws which are the solutions to life's issues) and carried the message of Islam to the world by Jihad. The Sahaba continued this by appointing Caliphs like Abu Bakr, Umar etc who then were the heads of state, Implementing Islam and carrying its message to mankind until within 100 years, the Muslims had expanded into Africa to the west coast, in Europe to France and Asia to the wall of China.

All of this would be "extremism" for the West because they didn't confine Islam to the ritual worships to the point where Blair said:

"They demand the elimination of Israel...
the withdrawal of all Westerners from Muslim countries...(ie removal of their occupation)
...the establishment of ....Sharia law in the Arab world en route to one caliphate of all Muslim nations."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4689363.stm

But these are the demands of Islam and ALL Muslims.

And they would even claim that the presentation of these facts which are known to and acepted by all Muslims is a "perversion of this peaceful religion of Islam". But who is the one who is REALLy trying to pervert Islam?

So how can they claim they don't have a problem with Islam and this is not a campaign to Suppress Islam when they are targetting those who carry Islam as it should be, completely with the aim of establishing it in the realm of life via State, which will implement Islam?

And who are they kidding in beleiving that Muslims will apostasize from Islam to follow their new religion called Moderate Islam?

Great book further proving this is a campaign to suppress Islam can be read here

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org/English/books/The%20American%20C ampaign%20to%20Suppress%20Islam.pdf
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Quote abujamal Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 10:46am
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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 1:16pm
The war on terror is not a war against Islam - it's actually a war to free Islam from a death cult that plagues her.

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Quote jibreel Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 2:49pm
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The war on terror is not a war against Islam - it's actually a
war to free Islam from a death cult that plagues her.



No its not, its to fight for the freedom of been arrested for war crimes
commited in poor countries for oil., nothing knew coming from
hypocrates who can not exist unless they have things to show for it other
then virtues they lack.

The cross is and always was a symbol of DEATH...
Satan is ALLAHS enemy, and those who worship him worhip a false hope
to find salvation in the promises of this worlds fortunes, like money and
technology.

Why you can have the best of both if you do ALLAHs will and fallow the
commandments as Jesus (PBUH) stated.

The Crusade war is not really on Islam, but on Arabs and there resources,
ask these evangelists and you will see that they do not have a clue when it
comes to telling the difference between a arab tribe which Abraham
(PBUH) rejected and a Muslim living the Islamic way of life.

Or the Crusades would of not murdered Jewish and Christian Arabs in the
past., so yes, its a racist regime again, racism because they actually
believe appearance matters.

This time they want oil and they will not let anyone get in there way
because they have plenty of hungry consumers wiling to pay the Saudis
allot for it now since they Toppled there allies like Sadam.

Why do you think the public are tossed in the middle of the mess with
Bombs...

You have to convince the public to do there part and investigate there
Government before judging trusting them, saying that you can not have a
voice is silly., you are the people and they have nothing with out you.
So do not think for once that Peace comes from them., it is not in there
power to provide peace and never was.

On the other hand there is God, ALLAH.
you decide where peace comes from.

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Quote abujamal Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 3:31pm

Originally posted by b95000

The war on terror is not a war against Islam - it's actually a war to free Islam from a death cult that plagues her.

Bit of a shame you didn't counter any of the arguments and just regurgitated the propaganda you are fed. Have another try and try convincing me.



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Quote Jenni Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 3:46pm
AbuJamal, who do you prefer, the Taliban. No thanks!!!!!!
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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Quote jibreel Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 8:44pm
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AbuJamal, who do you prefer, the Taliban. No thanks!!!!!!


Who do you prefer "the New world order", ok, if you do why support
ethnic cleansing? i prefer none or either., why blame someone for been
there at all. occupation is occupation.


The Taliban never bothered the U.S., Iraq also could not scratch the U.S.,
the evidence of Sadam not having WMODs where false and 3 other
leading Nations proved it and argues with the U.S.

So the real threats are the U.S. themselves for setting up people with
small weapons, even there own at home, and then waiting for them to
pick them up to use them.

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Quote Noah Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 8:58pm
I do not agree with many of the Talebans views or practices, but i have to chip this into the conversation. Taleban provided a security that wasnt present in the country before them. They manged to completely destroy the opium trade. When ISRA was down there before the American invasion there werent any opium poppy's there. When we came back after the incasion, there werent anything BUT opium poppys, i mean the whole landscape was glowing red as far as the eye could see. The smugglers of drugs and people was afraid of the taleban because they shot them on sight for causing trouble and stealing peoples children, and for that we owe them respect.

I would rather have taliban than NWO to be honest. Atleast taliban is my brethren, nomatter if i agree completely with them or not. But then again, what do i have to worry about, im not female hehehe..

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