al Qaeda slaughters Muslims

I understand this Nico.  However, those that do consider themselves Muslims - or the majority of the 1 billion Muslims - ought to be right worried about this, wouldn't you say?  Apparently anyone that even casts a glance at the West can be killed? (anyone that cooperates or collaborates in any way?)  Why don't we saw off OBLs head for using a Western satellite phone - or let's get Zarqawi to do it?  What a bunch of idiotic death cultism...kill everybody, they foam and drool...

As to conpiracy theories, I'm referring to jibreel's discussion of the supposed continuing alliance between the CIA, AQ and OBL...

Whatever verbology we use the simple fact will always remain that the US fathered Al-Qaeda and all other terrorists in the world - for their own agenda.

Plus, whereever Sasha's heart lies about your shameless and typical diversion to bring the plight of those global kids, the fact is that the US support for Palestinian occupation has given US the 9 / 11 broken nose that you can not now forget to insert in your posts, often.

The last and the saddest fact is you are unable to help your condition. We all know it by now. Good luck with your illusions

Bruce, the problem for Muslims today is that Alqaida and other
fundamentalist groups actually make some sense. There are aspects
of their beliefs and aims (not their methods) which most muslims can
identify with and actually say, I agree. You see, there is rarely
anything in life which is straightforward and �black or white�. There
are many shades in between, and many opportunities to
misinterpret, misunderstand and mistake. In fact, most terrorist
groups of whatever political or religious colour have some points in
their ideology which even their opponents admit can be discussed. I
do not admire nor support any terrorist groups, neither do I support
nor admire those who engage them with violence. What point are you
trying to gain by showing us how Alqaida kill muslims? Do you
expect all participants in the forum to swoon with disbelief and
denounce this? These are the acts of terrorists. What do you expect,
some sort of unspoken code of decency? Unfortunately shooting in
the back and killing children are not exclusively terrorist practises,
pointing out these acts doesn�t make Alqaida appear any more
ghastly than we already know them to be. You are a profoundly
patriotic American who sincerely wants to show everybody (especially
muslims, why else are you participating so busily here,) how great
and good you think America is. I am afraid your efforts are wasted,
since lately the world has had the veil lifted from its eyes, and we
have seen how America flaunts international justice and plain LIED in
order to invade Iraq. I say there is nothing wrong with you being
profoundly patriotic, out of kindness. I have never found myself
feeling such a thing, it is impossible for me to equate my self and
identity with �nationhood�. I have never been subjected to any kind of
indoctrination as to national identity, in America this kind of
indoctrination begins at home. You may have noticed on this forum
that a sense of nationhood and patriotism are not Muslim traits.
Brotherhood and a more global sense of belonging to a community
are. Many people, both Muslims and non-Muslims think America�s
actions have largely contributed to the existence of fundamentalist
ideologies. That doesn�t mean we support terrorism, we just wish
America would stop intervening at this point in time. You are having
a hard time persuading people that America is the best democracy in
the world. It is impossible for you to gauge just how badly damaged
America�s image is outside its territory, not just across the Muslim
world. And no amount of reminders of past glories, denouncements
of current evil-doers, nor endorsements of democratic checks and
balances can help this now. We know the Bush administration tried to
rig the iraq elections. It is impossible for us to accept the mighty U.S
army and its �intelligence� could not find Osama Bin Laden (I have a
suspicion he�s alive and well and working in a Starbucks in Portland
�.) We suspect we have been consistently deceived as to the real
efficacy of said army and �intelligence�. And since the U.S
administration is so prone to deception, well what view can we form
of the rest of the nation?

Duende wrote: Bruce, the problem for Muslims today is that Alqaida and other fundamentalist groups actually make some sense. In fact, most terrorist groups of whatever political or religious colour have some points in their ideology which even their opponents admit can be discussed. I do not admire nor support any terrorist groups, neither do I support nor admire those who engage them with violence. And since the U.S administration is so prone to deception, well what view can we form of the rest of the nation?

So why do they support the terrorists with the nukes instead?
or it is a language barrier for them and they can not tolerate a
understanding., very self deceiving and basically, hypocrisy

P.S.
i re-edited this because i confused it with another post here.


Edited by jibreel