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    Posted: 19 June 2010 at 2:10am
Originally posted by ana muslimah ana muslimah wrote:

Assalammualaikum
If people said that Allah can use all others religious they must think the impact on next generation, do we want they confused which Allah we worship?.Yes this is undisputetable originally they worship Allah however since deny Allah is one and said that Jesus is Allah's son, no more Allah is Ahad. Many Muslim now days not really attached with their Khaliq (Creature) we need to keep what we have today to ensure our next generation still believe that Allah is one and And there is none comparable unto Him.. Since other religions deny that Allah is one they cannot use the word of Allah, Allah already emphasize in surah Al-Ikhlas that Allah is one. This is one of fitnah to make dispute among us.  


Wa'alaikum slaam Ana Muslimah,

With all due respect sister - saying that if we let non-muslims use the word "Allah" it will confuse our next generation does not make sense. In many countries people use the same word for God, in thier local language and don't get confused. Its just a matter of language. Only the non-muslims living in muslim majority areas will use Allah - since they share similar culture and language. Whereas a non-muslim living in the UK or US will not. Our generations will not get confused. . .

Christians call Jesus with the same name we call him in Islam - though they consider him god, nauzibillah. There has been no confusion so far. Muslims consider Jesus a Prophet using the same name, whereas Christians consider him god.

In English - many non-arabic speaking Muslims refer to Allah as God - yet they don't confuse it with other religion's gods...

In Pakistan, Christians and Muslims refer to "God" with the same terminology, since the language/culture is same. Pakistani Christians will also refer to God as "Allah" or "Khuda" interchangeably, yet there has been no confusion.

Malaysia is a multi-cultural and multi-religious society. Malaysian Muslims have a very good opportunity to represent Islam to non-muslims in a good-light, since the non-Muslim Malaysians have the chance to see the Muslim society upclose and personal . . . . If the Malay Muslims continue to behave like this and politicize everything, trying to alienate the non-muslim citizens - it does not reflect positively on Islam. Islam is "inclusive" not "exclusive". Its time that the society and government actually "implement" the concept of "1 Malaysia" - not just talk about it. Hope I did not offend you - my apologies if I did.

- Sister in Islam.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ana muslimah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2010 at 11:51pm
Assalammualaikum
If people said that Allah can use all others religious they must think the impact on next generation, do we want they confused which Allah we worship?.Yes this is undisputetable originally they worship Allah however since deny Allah is one and said that Jesus is Allah's son, no more Allah is Ahad. Many Muslim now days not really attached with their Khaliq (Creature) we need to keep what we have today to ensure our next generation still believe that Allah is one and And there is none comparable unto Him.. Since other religions deny that Allah is one they cannot use the word of Allah, Allah already emphasize in surah Al-Ikhlas that Allah is one. This is one of fitnah to make dispute among us.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abosait Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2010 at 10:04am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
........To me, if the Christians wants to use the word Allah, they must prove  that the original scripture of theirs that is the Bible, has the word Allah in it ........
 
Allah is an Arabic word for the one and only God worthy of worship. Bible is not in Arabic? How then could you expect the Arabic word in the Bible?
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
.... There are many verses in the Quran that explains who is Allah especially in the Surah Al-Ikhlas -

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Qul Huw-Allahu Ahad
Allah-us-Samad
Lam yalid wl lam yulad
Wa lam yakul lahu kufuwan ahad

In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.

Also read the Verse of the throne from Surah Al-Baqara [2:255]         
اللّهُ لاَ إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَاء وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ وَلاَ يَؤُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا وَهُوَ الْعَلِيُّ الْعَظِيمُ

2:255 Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal.

No slumber can seize Him nor sleep.

His are all things in the heavens and on earth.
 
Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth?
 
He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them.
 
Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth.
 
His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
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A lot of Christians use the name Allah! This isn't new! Just go to any Arab country.

In the Quran Allah says that the Muslim god and the Christian god is the same... it's the Jesus and Father parts we don't agree about.

We call Allah God sometimes. Why can't Christians use the name Allah? Of course they don't mean the same thing as us, as in tawhid etc, but we don't have a right to tell them what words they can and can't use.
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Actually a non Muslims opinion is beneficial here. The problem here is monopolizing the word Allah. If in fact God is universal how can a word which is used to define this entity be exclusive to a particular faith? I mean many Muslims say the word "God" which is an English word (with German roots) so is this word exclusive to Anglo-Saxon Christians?

I don't believe Christians have to prove anything because Allah if such a being exists, is above what we call it. What matters is what Nur said which is the word. The high priests or pharasies would be the only ones to say the name of God yet the people couldn't, why? God or God's name is for everyone and for humans to monopolize the name their behavior only exemplifies the inherent contradiction that God is universal.

Edited by Gibbs - 26 February 2010 at 10:00pm
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Hi Chrysalis,

I had been wanting to open up a thread on this subject. Thank you for doing so. This topic is very interesting and should be discussed.

In my opinion, the word Allah is not exclusive to Muslims alone. But most importantly, it is the meaning of the word Allah that should be stressed on. That should be clarified.

We Muslims had been using the word Allah as it is stated in our holy Scripture Al-Quran Al-Kareem and it is the word used by all Muslims all over the world. There are many verses in the Quran that explains who is Allah especially in the Surah Al-Ikhlas -

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
Qul Huw-Allahu Ahad
Allah-us-Samad
Lam yalid wl lam yulad
Wa lam yakul lahu kufuwan ahad

In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.

To me, if the Christians wants to use the word Allah, they must prove  that the original scripture of theirs that is the Bible, has the word Allah in it and also define the meaning of Allah as stated in their Bible.


Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Government lawyers countered that Allah denotes the Muslim God, is accepted as such around the world and is exclusively for Muslims. They said that if Catholics were allowed to use Allah, Muslims would be "confused."  

This is just st**id.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chrysalis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2010 at 3:24am
I thought non-muslims werent allowed in "INTRA-faith" section !!! Confused
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