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Edited by Sign*Reader - 08 October 2009 at 7:13pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 08 October 2009 at 7:28pm |
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Allah Almighty had preserved the character of Prophet Muhammad to be the best of all human being. Therefore it is not surprising that Prophet Muhammad was considered a Walking Quran. |
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Nur... pl. let me help Ron on this... Ron W...The best example is how to obligatory prayers, Quran doesn't give the process details where comes in the Sunnah and Tradition of the prophet about all the multitudinous prayers which makes the foundation of the Islamic deen... Now I gather that you have surveyed the Islamic practices I would like to ask you about prayers that how many are these? Have you looked into the evolution of Nation of Islam and the difference between the father Elijah M's self styled temple wanderings and son Warith Deen M's mosques prayers in consonance with prophetic traditions... If you knew this part of the American history I think we should rest our case... Edited by Sign*Reader - 06 October 2009 at 12:05pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Ron Webb
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I find it strange that cartoons of Muhammad would get people killed, or that a schoolteacher could get in trouble with the law for allowing her class to name their teddy bear "Muhammad". But maybe that's just me.
It tells me that Muhammad acknowledged that his own words did not have the divine authority and ought not to be preserved for all time. But Muhammad did not say that the hadith were not to be recorded "while the Quran was being revealed". He said they were not to be recorded, period. It's interesting, though, that you would interpret that particular statement as applying only for a period of time and not for all eternity. If you would only apply the same standard to the rest of his hadith.
What makes them divine, in my opinion anyway, is the claim that his power and authority extend throughout all time and space. No mortal has such authority; only a god could make such a claim. Or a partner to God.
I expect they would have to hear (or read) it more than once, and no doubt discussion would help. But if you are saying that Muhammad did a better job of explaining the law in the hadith than Allah did in the Quran, then that's probably a whole other kind a sacrilege.
I have no trouble understanding the Quran. My problem is in understanding how a corrupt, unreliable and superfluous collection of apparently random hearsay has been elevated to the status of Holy Scripture, when you already have the perfect and complete Quran, from God Himself.
I doubt you can find any evidence of that in the Quran.
If the complete and perfect Quran doesn't give the process details, then the process details are unimportant.
My understanding is that you pray five times a day, but you would know better than me. What's your point? |
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Dear Ron,
What are the ways that is similar to God / Allah ?
A partner ( junior or equal ) implies sharing some of the divine actions, ownership, authority or divine attributes Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) never stated this, nor does muslims believe he did
I don't see how that ALL intents and purposes are indistinguishable from that of God For instance Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) got married, had children ...etc.
This is not unique to Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ), to insult ANY Prophet / messanger is to commit blasphemy in Islam
It also mentions Prophet Abraham (PBUH) and his legacy in the same sentences
This is also not unique to Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ), all Prophets are infallible in matters of doctrine
There're different categories of the statements and actions of the Prophet (PBUH) but in general yes, His statements are considered doctrine, because of it being infallible and guided from God
There're many categories of hadiths, some have more authorative power than others, but no muslim considers hadiths to be on the same level as the Qur'an
Can't answer this hypothetical question
If you put a clear definition of what you consider shirk, then maybe we can answer this question Bare in mind that shirk could have different definition to muslims than yours Best Regards |
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