"FUTURE" THOUGHTS

Douggg wrote:   Douggg wrote: To the point, Islam as a worldwide religion as it is now will be destroyed (not by Christians nor the Jews) just before the arrival of Antichrist  - who will poise as Judiasm's messiah.    When Islam is destroyed, and the Antichrist arrives in Jerusalem right afterwards.    The Jews will think that the world has entered the messianic time of peace. Here is the biblical support.   In Ezekiel 38, all of the countries listed with the exception of Russia are Muslim countries.    God, Himself, by supernatural means, will destroy Islam because of the false teachings that it has advanced. Stop dreaming my friend! Islam is not false. First you have to explain who these people are and where they come from: Rev.2:9 says: �I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.�  No, I do not have to explain Revelation 2:9.   The countries listed in Ezekiel 38 & 39 are muslim, except for Russia, which is a muslim ally and is providing weapons and nuclear support for Iran.    And it is the muslims who want Israel destroyed.   They have already made at least three major efforts, since Israel became a nation again,  but God has turned the muslims back every single time.  Gog/Magog will be the last time. Regarding Revelation 2:9, I am aware of the Muslim attempt to twist Ezekiel 38 & 39 to claim the invaders are false Jews coming out of Europe.   Are those teachings specific to Ezekiel 38 & 39 found in the Quran or Hadiths?  If not, it is innovations. Doug L.

Mr. Doug, We Muslims do not used the Bible as a book to determine our faith, all I am doing is tried to aware Christians what they don�t know about their Bible and Ezekiel 38-39 Muslims has lest to do with it. As for fake Jews coming out of Europe they got it from this link: http://www.show-the-house.com/id55.html

Clip: A disquisition on Khazar Jews, the real Israel and the situation in Palestine.  And a message to the Ashkenazim, who are properly known in prophecy as Gog:  Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

 

So too, the term "anti-semitism" is rendered void of meaning and useless, at least insofar as it is employed by the Turkic Ashkenazim as propaganda.  Ironically, their Palestinian Arab victims are real Semites, along with the Sephardic Jews, Arabs in general and a few other groups, all of the blood of Abraham.  At best, the Turkic Khazar-derived Ashkenazim are very long lost cousins of the Semitic folk, and have limited commonality with them in their genes along with the common house-fly and a host of other creatures of the Almighty's vast creation.

Indeed, in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of the Prophet Ezekiel, clear expression is made of a remnant of one sixth of Gog surviving and then arriving on the mountains of Israel, which is exactly how the Ashkenazi Khazar-derived Jews made their grand entrance into Palestine before, during and after World War II.  The prophecies against Gog are dire prophecies, and the impersonation of the Ashkenazi Jews as blood descended Jews of the House of Judah or even of other Israelites descended from the lost 10 tribes of the House of Israel is clearly the point of the Almighty's command to Ezekiel to say to them, "In that day when my people Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?"  (Ezekiel 38:14)  Sixty years are more than enough to know this tree by its fruits!

In chapters 37 and 40 of the Book of Ezekiel, at the beginning and end of the prophecies against Gog, are prophecies concerning the real Israel.  In chapter 37, it is shown that the real Israel will be known by a sanctuary, a king and the Almighty's covenant of peace.  Chapter 40 to the end describes the location and details of the sanctuary.  (For more about the correct site of the real Israel's next physical temple, see Appendix A of An Eight Part Peace Proposal for Greater Jerusalem at http://www.show-the-house.com/id3.html.)  Throughout Koestler's lifetime, and more than two decades after his death, the Zionist state has had no sanctuary, no king and no peace of any kind.  All three blessings are withheld from them.  They only understand force to back their fraud.  Their boastful words, and their supporters who are as dumb as nails and as used as screws, are really all they have.

Only a fundamental change of heart will enable the Turkic Khazar-derived Jews to forgo the wrong temple site, the corrupt politics and full spectrum fraud and force against the indigenous people of Palestine.  Now economic woes will soon force a moment of truth. 

 

Are you not seeing that after the world trade incident the whole world has change? All Bush�s wars help to bring dong the man made world economy except the Islamic one, and another one with Iran will do the job that is why the Arabs are giving the green light to Israel (the suppose Jews). Then after that the Messiah will finish them off. The fall of Israel is already underway.

Br.zainool

 

Edited by truthnowcome - 21 July 2009 at 12:17am

Douggg: Mr. X, I skipped over your other comments and questions because once you see that Ezekiel 38 and 39 is God's condemnation of Islam, those questions, to me, become irrelavent to the salvation of your soul IMO.

No, you are simply trying to dodge the questions, Dougggie!

Because of the inconsistencies and contradictions of your religion, I know already that your interpretation of Ezekiel is wrong, if Ezekiel is indeed the unaltered word of God.  I know from the inconsistencies and contradictions that the Christian message is not the word of God.  So, your beliefs about the future are irrelevant.

Douggg: The little babies and children of course have not reached an age of accountability, so their names will not have been erased from the book of life.Persons, who had never heard about Jesus, they will be judged according to their works as being righteous or not, so that had they had the opportunity they would have accepted Jesus.    That is not specifically found in the nt, but it a comonly accepted position amongst Christians, based upon God's grace and mercy.

This directly contradicts what you have previously said.  See what I mean about the contradictions?

This is what you said: It shows that you, as well as all who are of Adam's flesh, have inherited the penalty of sin, which is death...even before you committed a single sin.

You also admit that there is no scriptural basis for your claim that the infants will be saved.  I find it odd that the scriptures somehow forgot to discuss the fate of the little babies.  It seems like an important topic to discuss.

In any case, since the infants are tainted by the "scourge" of sin, and God does not allow sin in His presence, then how can you maintain that the infants are saved?  Your argument that the claim is supported "based upon God's grace and mercy" is also a weak argument since the Old Testament records that God ordered on several occasions the extermination of literally thousands of babies belonging to the various nations surrounding Israel.  There was no mercy for those babies. 

Douggg: Regarding your false charge of Jesus being a racist, saying that he called the woman a dog, the woman was not offended as woud be in a racial slur because of the context of Jesus making a point in the terms of a parable.... "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

The woman was not "offended" according to the authors of the text.  That is because they were trying to establish the Jews superiority over other races.  Let me be clear: I don't believe Jesus actually said that.  I think it is an example of heretics putting words in his mouth.

Douggg: Jesus also greatly complimented her faith.   He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." "Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Yes, because she "admitted" or "excepted" her inferior position.  In other words, Jesus basically expected her to assume a position of inferiority before he would help her.  Some mercy, huh? 

Douggg: Jesus in comparison to the animal kingdom even said of himself of his situation being less than that of the foxes and birds...Luke 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.  

This is a false analogy again.  In the context the Gospels put dogs in, it is clear that it was meant as a derogatory term, when applied to people.  Case in point: Luke 16:20-23

²⁰At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores ²¹and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.²²"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. ²³In hell,[a] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

From this touching story, we see the context of dogs.  They were associated with everything lowly and dirty.  So, when Jesus uses the word to refer to non-Jews, he used it in the context of them being below the Jews.  The Jews were the "masters" and the Gentiles were the "dogs".  Only when the woman excepted this role was she commended by Jesus.  This is racism, pure and simple.  And it corroborates everything I have said about the Bible and it's obsession with the superiority of the Jews. 

Douggg: Jesus also referred to the Jews as lost sheep, and the Pharisees as snakes, and Herod as a fox.  Jesus used comparisons to the animal kingdom.  It was not racism, which is founded on hatred of one race against another.   Jesus loves everyone.   And gave his life accordingly... as the Lamb of God. 

Referring to the Jews as "sheep" is not the same as referring to non-Jews as "dogs".  If he were not a racist, he would have used the same term for both.  If he were not a racist, he would have referred to the Jews as "lost dogs" or the Gentiles as "sheep" as well. 

Even in modern times, people use certain terms which I will not mention here because of their vulgarity, to refer to certain ethnic or racial groups.  They don't refer to themselves with those same terms because the terms have a certain derogatory connotation with regard to the people they apply to.  Therefore, your claim that the Biblical Jesus loves everyone is complete BS.  I guess we can call it DS also.  




Edited by islamispeace - 20 July 2009 at 3:32pm

Doug: Satan's goal is destroy both the Jews and Israel.   Also the souls of men.   Islam is just one of Satan's weapons.   As was the Catholic Church in the middle ages

Semar: Wow, this is another interesting point.

Douggg wrote: islamispeace wrote: Douggg wrote: islamispeace wrote: Douggg: What specific verses in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are you saying is corrupted, not from God?  Like I said, the obsession that Israel is God's chosen nation, and screw everyone else. There may be some truth in the Old Testament, the chapters of Ezekiel included.  But, there is also a lot of falsehood.  One of them, I think, is that God favors the Jews, whether they sin or not, over everyone else and treats them differently, even to the point that they are considered superior to everyone else.  This is not becoming of a just and fair God. Could you do a copy and paste of the official Muslim version of Ezekiel 38 & 39 which shows only the uncorrupted verses? Doug L.   There is no official version of Ezekiel.  We have our own knowledge of the end times.  According to those sources, Imam Mahdi will lead the Muslims during the reign of the Antichrist and Jesus will descend in Damascus and kill the Antichrist.  After that, Gog and Magog will be released and spread throughout the world, only to be destroyed and fed on by birds and beasts, similar to the Ezekiel account.  But, Gog and Magog will not be Muslims.  But you said that Ezekiel 38 & 39 are corrupted.   If you don't have the official muslim version uncorrupted version of Ezekiel 38 & 39, then those verses found in the King James are the word of God.    Which means your commentary is an innovation and your opinion is out of step with God, if you don't like what is written in Ezekiel 38 & 39.       Where are muslims getting their own knowledge of the end times?  What documents?  Ezekiel 38 & 39 don't say anything about Gog and Magog being released throughout the world.   It is in the mountains and valleys of Israel that Gog's army will be destroyed, Ezekiel 39:5-6, which was written 1000 years before Mohamed. Do your official muslim word of Allah sources say that Gog/Magog invades Israel?   And that God defends Israel?   If not, it is the muslim source that is corrupted, since Islam has no Official Muslim version of the Bible with only the uncorrupted version of Ezekiel 38 & 39, because Islam says that Allah keeps his book from being corrupted.   So Ezekiel 38 & 39 of the KJV, is the uncorrupted word of God. From now on, please post the Official Muslim version of the Bible of Allah's perserved word of uncorrupted verses, whenever you make a comment about the KJV version being corrupted - otherwise you are making unfounded innovations. Doug L.

Douggie, I will answer your questions when you answer mine.  You skipped 95% of my last response.  Answer my questions on Jesus being a racist, what happens to babies that die in infancy, and why it the Pharisees and Romans cannot be considered heroes for their killing of Jesus.  While you are answering these questions, I will begin preparing my response to your questions.