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JOUBERAR 
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 Posted: 26 June 2009 at 8:29pm |
 Akhe Abdullah wrote:
Jouberar, no matter how hard you try you cant discredit The Holy Qur'an,or Al Islam. |
I don't have do it Muhammed already have done it and his companions they have discredit the whole concept of religion and his followers are to st**id to noticed it.
Look how Muhammad started spreading Islam by means of raids.
THE RAID ON SAFAWAN, WHICH IS THE FIRST RAID OF BADR: The apostle stayed only a few nights, less than ten, in Medina when he came back from
raiding Al-�Ushayra�.(286)
�THE RAID ON B.SULAYMAN IN AL-KUDR: The apostle stayed only seven
nights in Medina before he himself made a raid against B.Sulayman�� (360).
�THE RAID OF DHU AMARR: When the apostle returned from the raid of al-
Sawiq he stayed in Medina for the rest of Dhu�l-Hijja, or nearly all of it. The
he raided Najd�..� (362).
For those of you Muslims what is a raid, it is an armed robbery. Its sole
intention is to loot people. Muhammad was a master at that craft.
It is also important to know that Muhammed did not go out and fight with the
unbelievers; rather, his companions did most of the ugly work. However,
Muhammed had a responsibility to make sure that looted wealth was equally
distributed. He merely charged one-fifth of the looted goods, known as
Khumas, for his service, which of course was a sizable amount for his living.
Obviously, handy-dandy Allah was very helpful in legalizing the robbing
business. Muhammed, in fact, made his Allah involved in it, and had him
declare in the Quran,
�And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for
Allah, and for the messenger�� (Quran 8:41).
�That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the
townships, it is for Allah and His messenger�� (Quran 59:7).
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BMZ
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Posted: 26 June 2009 at 10:39pm |
Jouberar,
If you wish to continue writing and posting junk and stuff, I strongly recommend this site for you and the goons will be very pleased to welcome you. The site is run by Christian fundies and evangelists and was created by an alleged ex-Muslim Ali Sina:
http://www /dot/ faithfreedom /dot/ org
http:// forum09 /dot/ faithfreedom/dot/ org
You can enjoy the company of the hooligans and Islam-haters at above site. 
If you wish to post junk and stuff, please go there and leave this site.
I am extremely against banning anyone and also against deletion of posts but if you continue to do so, I will do that. We keep this site very civil.
Please take note of this.
About raids and spoils of war or the biblical looting, please read the chapters Joshua, Numbers and Judges in the holy Bible. Blame the biblical Jesus' past role in the OT for starting raids, killings, looting and burning humans and animals alive in heaps.
Regards
BMZ
Edited by icforumadmin - 27 June 2009 at 11:18pm
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BMZ
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Posted: 26 June 2009 at 10:52pm |
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Jouberar,
There is no record of Jesus bringing dead and rotten bodies alive, in the History. Those are just gospel tales with no testimonies available.
There is also no record of saints getting out of graves and marching into Jerusalem.
Jesus actually brought up the spiritually "dead" people alive. That is why he said, "Let he who has ears, hear!" He opened up their minds.
Cheers
BMZ
Edited by BMZ - 26 June 2009 at 10:53pm
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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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JOUBERAR
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Joined: 13 March 2009
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Points: 573
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Posted: 27 June 2009 at 10:34am |
BMZ wrote:
Jouberar,
If you wish to continue writing and posting junk and stuff, I strongly recommend this site for you and the goons will be very pleased to welcome you. The site is run by Christian fundies and evangelists and was created by an alleged ex-Muslim Ali Sina:
www /dot/ faithfreedom /dot/ org
http:// forum09 /dot/ faithfreedom/dot/ org
You can enjoy the company of the hooligans and Islam-haters at above site.
If you wish to post junk and stuff, please go there and leave this site.
I am extremely against banning anyone and also against deletion of posts but if you continue to do so, I will do that. We keep this site very civil.
Please take note of this.
About raids and spoils of war or the biblical looting, please read the chapters Joshua, Numbers and Judges in the holy Bible. Blame the biblical Jesus' past role in the OT for starting raids, killings, looting and burning humans and animals alive in heaps.
Regards
BMZ
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This stands in the Quran and not in a hooligan site if that the Prophet and Allah is so holy why do He legalised it to raid other people who knows nothing about religion but I think it is muslims obligation to help other people even the Jews do not go over thier borders to invade and take others land they had only thier small piece of land which other countries do not want except as the state of Isreal they do not declare holy wars against anyone who say bad things about thier God and thier religion but muslims continuing thier holy wars against Isreal and the west. Why haven't God instructed them make war and take over other countries to spread thier religion look how many countries have been raided and taken over by muslims since Muhammad invented islam and its is still going on islam was spreaded by forcing people to believe in islam or they will be executed?.
Edited by icforumadmin - 27 June 2009 at 11:19pm
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honeto
Senior Member
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Islam
Joined: 20 March 2008
Location: Texas
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Points: 2487
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Posted: 27 June 2009 at 10:48am |
JOUBERAR wrote:
Akhe Abdullah wrote:
Jouberar, no matter how hard you try you cant discredit The Holy Qur'an,or Al Islam. |
I don't have do it Muhammed already have done it and his companions they have discredit the whole concept of religion and his followers are to st**id to noticed it.
Look how Muhammad started spreading Islam by means of raids.
THE RAID ON SAFAWAN, WHICH IS THE FIRST RAID OF BADR: The apostle stayed only a few nights, less than ten, in Medina when he came back from
raiding Al-�Ushayra�.(286)
�THE RAID ON B.SULAYMAN IN AL-KUDR: The apostle stayed only seven
nights in Medina before he himself made a raid against B.Sulayman�� (360).
�THE RAID OF DHU AMARR: When the apostle returned from the raid of al-
Sawiq he stayed in Medina for the rest of Dhu�l-Hijja, or nearly all of it. The
he raided Najd�..� (362).
For those of you Muslims what is a raid, it is an armed robbery. Its sole
intention is to loot people. Muhammad was a master at that craft.
It is also important to know that Muhammed did not go out and fight with the
unbelievers; rather, his companions did most of the ugly work. However,
Muhammed had a responsibility to make sure that looted wealth was equally
distributed. He merely charged one-fifth of the looted goods, known as
Khumas, for his service, which of course was a sizable amount for his living.
Obviously, handy-dandy Allah was very helpful in legalizing the robbing
business. Muhammed, in fact, made his Allah involved in it, and had him
declare in the Quran,
�And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for
Allah, and for the messenger�� (Quran 8:41).
�That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the
townships, it is for Allah and His messenger�� (Quran 59:7). |
Jouberar,
Your reaction and comments suggest that you have lost, and now only thing left is to smear, like a looser in political arena. You know you cannot prove your points without contradicting them, so you choose distasteful ways, thus showing your real nature and intention of coming to a place of learning like this one.
My friend, unless you are being paid for what you are doing, you are not helping yourself or anyone. But we still welcome you to this place of learning and benefitting from the truth and guidance.
Hasan
Edited by honeto - 27 June 2009 at 10:57am
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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JOUBERAR
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Joined: 13 March 2009
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Points: 573
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Posted: 27 June 2009 at 11:20am |
BMZ wrote:
Jouberar,
There is no record of Jesus bringing dead and rotten bodies alive, in the History. Those are just gospel tales with no testimonies available.
There is also no record of saints getting out of graves and marching into Jerusalem.
Jesus actually brought up the spiritually "dead" people alive. That is why he said, "Let he who has ears, hear!" He opened up their minds.
Cheers
BMZ
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You can't face the truth if God created man he can bring back any living being from the dead if you had faith as you can see and hear even today Christian spiritual healing by healing naturally takes place as a sign for the unbelievers as well as believers that Christ is the only way to salvation or else it wouldn't be recorded in the bible.
It is good that you say spiritually dead because thier people on this earth who only hear what they want to hear and do not listen to what Jesus's had to say to those who have an ear listen and to those have an eye see it is the eye and ear of the human's mind.
Thats why people go blindly and follow other religions.
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JOUBERAR
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Posted: 27 June 2009 at 11:33am |
JOUBERAR wrote:
What you wanted tell that what is written in the Quran is distasteful and contradicting then why do you then believe in the Quran or because you have to.
If its your free will you can learn me about Islam but you must be just sure answer my questions out of Quran the sunnas and hadiths and history of islam directly and no made up stories I got most of my info from history recordings and real archaeological facts. |
Edited by BMZ - 04 July 2009 at 8:51pm
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BMZ
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Joined: 03 April 2006
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Points: 1852
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Posted: 27 June 2009 at 7:07pm |
JOUBERAR wrote:
It is good that you say spiritually dead because thier people on this earth who only hear what they want to hear and do not listen to what Jesus's had to say to those who have an ear listen and to those have an eye see it is the eye and ear of the human's mind.
Thats why people go blindly and follow other religions. |
Yes, that is why people blindly followed the religion created by Paul and others. They did not follow Jesus' own religion, which was Judaism. Jesus did not bring in any new religion.
BMZ
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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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