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Angela
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Nur, perhaps you should study a little science with your Muslim scholars. Its not all calculations by men who have a degree in Quran and Quran only. Allah's creations are fast, wonderful and complicated and one of those is our brains which give us the ability to think on our own. Arabs were the forefathers of so much of todays modern science. It really bothers me when Muslims around the world stop thinking scientifically. Islam is a religion that encourages education. The Quran says we are created from a blood clot? That's extremely close to the reality of sperm and eggs but its incorrect from a scientific standpoint. God has always revealed to man things in a manner in which he can understand at the time. Therefore, I highly doubt Moses, Abraham or even Muhammed would have been given a lecture on Carbon-14, nuclear decay and amino acids. It would have been far beyond their understanding and the understanding of their people. God created our planets, stars and nebulae billions of years ago. How do you describe billions to peoples who barely have a concept of 0? The Babylonian, Greeks and others debated it 0 even existed. So, if they didn't have a concept of nothing...they couldn't really understand the vastness of space or the basics of its creation. Studying theology is wonderful, Nur...but relying on it for all your information is why there are women in the Middle East who think that the clitoris will cause infertility or why there are those in the Congo who still believe in Witches. They leave their rationality and check their brains at the door. |
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaikum.
Nur Ilahi posted.
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Nur_Ilahi
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Father as the highest calling is Allah which in Arabic means the Lawgiver.
Please quote any sunnah or verses from the AlQuran that states Allah means the Lawgiver.
If we philosophically say Allah is our Father in a reflection of His Attributes,
It is you who said philosophically that Allah is your father, but never have I come across any Muslim scholars who dared to say that Allah is our Father (Astaghfiruallah!)
This position and responsibility given to us (human beings) by Allah was explained probably before He began the Creation of organic matter - 8 billion years ago -
Perhaps I am not studious enough, but I have not come across any exact calculation from our Muslim scholars - that Allah began the Creation of organic matter - 8 billion years ago.
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaikum.
Angela posted: Father is the highest calling. You are responsible for the creation and care of the next generation. (As a human) You are protector, teacher, caregiver, discipliner, provider, and role-model. Response: What you said corresponds to what was written in Wikipedia encyclopaedia. However in Israelite religion and modern Judaism, Yahweh is called Father because He is the creator, lawgiver and protector. However God in the NT was not found as author and beginner. Philosophy can be applied to the Scriptures in explaining some concepts or matter that cannot be understood without using the freedom of expression given to us by our Creator. Islam i.e. the teaching of Muhammad accepts also philosophical interpretations as an auxiliary or a booster provided one remains within the intended meaning of that concept. Father as the highest calling is Allah which in Arabic means the Lawgiver. If we philosophically say Allah is our Father in a reflection of His Attributes which He breathed into us, then that philosophical concept lands us in the position of His vicegerents- His deputies. This position and responsibility given to us (human beings) by Allah was explained probably before He began the Creation of organic matter - 8 billion years ago. We are the deputies of Allah but without the power to enact any law but only to comply with His completed, perfected and chosen way of life. This was what indeed Jesus the son of Maryam said in Matthew 5:`8-21. Jesus the son of Maryam proVed that he was Allah's vicegerent in many places in the NT. For example the people told Jesus: Don't accuse us for having someone else as our father (not Father). We just have one father and he is God" Jesus answered: If God were your Father (not father) you wold love me (This version where Muhammad spoke is also in the Qur'an), because I came from God and only from Him. He sent me. I did not come on my own. Let me ask you Angela: Who was the wife of Allah then? Friendship |
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Angela
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You know, I have been thinking about the idea that the word Father has a weakness.
It does not. There are men who disgrace the calling of Father. But there are men who disgrace the calling of Human and disgrace the fact they are a creation of God. There are men who malign the world God by ascribing it to things and to myths. Father is the highest calling. You are responsible for the creation and care of the next generation. (As a human) You are protector, teacher, caregiver, discipliner, provider, and role-model. There is no weakness to the calling of Father. But there are men, humans, who are unfit to carry this name. Calling God "Father" is acknowledging all that he is in one word. Most of the 99 names of God can be ascribed to a Father. I mean, obviously ones like al-Hayy and al-Qayyum can only be given to God... this is what makes him more than "just" a Father. My father had his human failings, but there is no other man on this planet who has shaped who I am more than he has. With that in mind, you men should keep that thought in your head when dealing with your children. You will shape what kind of men and women they become. |
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BMZ
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Wa alaikum assalaam, Friendship
Thanks for the clarification. My apologies. BMZ |
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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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robin
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Then you deny the teaching of you own prophet Jesus who said:-
Matthew 6:9 "�Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. |
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaikum.
BMZ. Friendship. |
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