the atonement

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 jesus is not an atonement!!  read more from phillip. 

 8.  The Christ came! Some indeed he ransoms, yet others he saves, yet for others he atones�. 

Those who were alienated he ransomed,� he brought them to himself. And he saved those who came to him. 

These he set as pledges in his desire. Not only when he appeared did he appoint the soul as he desired, but since the day of the world's origin he appointed the soul. 

At the time he desires he came first to fetch it, since it was placed among the pledges. 

  It came to be under the bandits and they took it captive. 
Yet he saved it, and he atoned for both the good and the evil in the world.
 what do those who call him thier atonment recive above??and as we read this last line he saves  [the good ] and for [the evil ] he is thier atonement.

  also jesus declared blood sacrifices useless and nulivoid , false practace BEFORE he was put on the cross. 

Edited by Nazarene - 11 October 2008 at 5:52pm

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Nazarene Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 05 September 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 298	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nazarene Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 October 2008 at 5:42pm
	*more on the topic:* jesus is not an atonement!! read more from phillip. 8. The Christ came! Some indeed he ransoms, yet others he saves, yet for others he atones�. Those who were alienated he ransomed,� he brought them to himself. And he saved those who came to him. These he set as pledges in his desire. Not only when he appeared did he appoint the soul as he desired, but since the day of the world's origin he appointed the soul. At the time he desires he came first to fetch it, since it was placed among the pledges. It came to be under the bandits and they took it captive. Yet he saved it, and he atoned for both the good and the evil in the world. what do those who call him thier atonment recive above??and as we read this last line he saves [the good ] and for [the evil ] he is thier atonement. also jesus declared blood sacrifices useless and nulivoid , false practace BEFORE he was put on the cross. Edited by Nazarene - 11 October 2008 at 5:52pm
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Nazarene Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 05 September 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 298	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nazarene Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 October 2008 at 10:23pm
	today atonement means " at one " or "to make amends." but in the time of jesus the atonement ment something far different it ment to " cover up " by proclaiming jesus as your atonement this is what you have made him out to be ,YOUR "fatted calf". you see the atonement was a ritual , you got your sacrifice ( bull to bird depending how wealthy you were) and went in front of a priest or rabbi. you symbolicly passed your sins onto the animal,then the animal was killed thus cleansing you " by the blood" of another. "A FATTED CALF" so the next time we'er in church praising jesus as dieing "for" our sins and being cleansed by the "blood"of christ. he's your fatted calf. sounds like a sick and twisted thing to do to me. and a false teaching. but christains like him hanging on the cross like it's a good thing. their fatted calf. unacountable. jesus says in ALL the n/t gospels : only when YOU BARE YOUR OWN CROSS can you follow me. hebrews 6: 6) if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because^[b]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. repent and sin no more.he says love leland Edited by Nazarene - 03 October 2008 at 11:13pm
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