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    Posted: 23 March 2009 at 1:03pm
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John 15:3 ,3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.{ jesus says we are cleansed by the word NOT the blood of the cross!!}

 

John 12:47-50 ,47"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say."{ here it is plainly stated the WORD the MESSAGE leads to eternal life }



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peace!
 
jesus states himself he was sent too deliver the MESSAGE!

Luke 4:43 (New International Version)

43But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.

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peace

you know a thought jumped in my head the other day.
 
  if jesus's death was pre-ordained { meant to happen no matter what } why didn't jesus say:
 
  forgive them father, they only do what they must.
 
this response seems fits the pre-destained way of thinking alot better than:
 
forgive them father, thay know not what thay do!  you know this [ ! ] means something .
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Originally posted by Nazarene Nazarene wrote:

as you have read jesus did not come for the purpose to DIE FOR OUR SINS!!
   he delivered to us the message of salvation. but i say alot of that message has been lost to christains becuse of that way of thinking.
  christains are taught to focus on the death of jesus. not his life for salvation. it is what he brought in life that saves us. but the church surpresses it. because if you aquire it, you have no need for the church.
    i also say the evil in the pagen roman church did much to distroy jesus's true teachings.
     i also say that god may have sent muhammad to set things right after the church did what it did.
 
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Originally posted by Nazarene Nazarene wrote:

as you have read jesus did not come for the purpose to DIE FOR OUR SINS!!
   he delivered to us the message of salvation. but i say alot of that message has been lost to christains becuse of that way of thinking.
  christains are taught to focus on the death of jesus. not his life for salvation. it is what he brought in life that saves us. but the church surpresses it. because if you aquire it, you have no need for the church.
    i also say the evil in the pagen roman church did much to distroy jesus's true teachings.
     i also say that god may have sent muhammad to set things right after the church did what it did.
 
Nazarene,
very intersting. You know this is how I use to tell those who use to tell me that Jesus came to die for my sins. I use to tell them that it was his life that was worth more because he came to guide mankind and he fulfilled his duty to convey God's word to the mankind, so you ocould be saved. Otherwise, he would not be preaching anything else but to say, " don't worry, I will die for you and your sins" 
Well, Christians don't have anyting more left to sell, if you take out the blood sacrifice from their doctrine.
I know of some of them that believe that if they do bad and wrong they will be punished for that. While others preach that all your sins are forgiven and you will go to paradise if you believe that Jesus is God/ god's son, and died for your sin and paid for them by his blood. The Christian dilema of this opposing view is embedded into their source, the Bible where both views are present.
It was the life of all prophets that brought guidance and salvation from God for mankind, not their deaths or blood as some believe the atonement of sins only through blood sacrifices. Also this idea is embedded in the Bible too along with its oppossing views, in the same book.
No person can pay for anothers sin, neither with blood, gold or wealth. It is only through following God's commands. 
 
5:15 O people of the Book! there hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). there hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book,-
 
Take care,
Hasan
 


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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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as you have read jesus did not come for the purpose to DIE FOR OUR SINS!!
   he delivered to us the message of salvation. but i say alot of that message has been lost to christains becuse of that way of thinking.
  christains are taught to focus on the death of jesus. not his life for salvation. it is what he brought in life that saves us. but the church surpresses it. because if you aquire it, you have no need for the church.
    i also say the evil in the pagen roman church did much to distroy jesus's true teachings.
     i also say that god may have sent muhammad to set things right after the church did what it did.

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what is this " BLOOD OF CHRIST " ?
  as i know first hand orthodox christains think of this as thier " atonement ."  literaly .
   but i prefer the understanding of phillip:
"Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit  . He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing. I find fault with the others who say that it will not rise. Then both of them are at fault. You say that the flesh will not rise. But tell me what will rise, that we may honor you. You say the Spirit in the flesh, and it is also this light in the flesh. (But) this too is a matter which is in the flesh, for whatever you shall say, you say nothing outside the flesh. It is necessary to rise in this flesh, since everything exists in it


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more on the ransom:
 HEBREWS 9:
 11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[b] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
 
12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
 
13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. ( the ritural of atonement )
 
14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!

 15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance�now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

In the time of jesus [ransom] ment that a " family" member has payed your "past" debt.
 
also it seems this verse in hebrews supports the one in phillp.
 
 


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